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> Totally unjustified, sensational nonsense. I wish we had a pithy term for people underplaying exceptional events (complacency-mongering?) to show off how un
by chimprich 4y ago
> Totally unjustified, sensational nonsense.
I wish we had a pithy term for people underplaying exceptional events (complacency-mongering?) to show off how unflappable they are, because it would be nice to use it in this case.
Temperature records being broken are, by definition, exceptional events. In this case, the UK's temperature record was broken by 1.5C, which is a huge increase.
> This was in 1911
Cherry-picking a data point. There's a very significant trend of hotter days and record breaking occurring in the past few years. One outlier in a century of data doesn't mean very much (and your source of a paragraph from an Australian newspaper in 1911 seems to get the value wrong).
- ibejoeb 4y agoSorry you can't think of a name to call me. This is as much cherry-picking as the linked article is. It's one measurement. > source of a paragraph from an Australian newspaper The link is an Australian paper, too.
- ubercow13 4y agoThe 38.7C and the 100F were also each one measurement. Also it's not just one measurement, at least 33 places broke the all time temperature record of the whole country today (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62217282)
- ibejoeb 4y agoRight. A temperature measurement on one day is a temperature measurement on one, regardless if its 1911 or 2022.
- ubercow13 4y agoYes, the trend is in higher maximum temperatures on individual outlier hot days. That doesn't make it insignificant, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
- ibejoeb 4y agoI'm objecting to the sensationalism and overtly incorrect account of the temperature being 40C and the runway melting. What good does that do? "Approaching" 40C isn't 40C. Depending on who you ask, it was 38C there. I guess it's also approaching 50C, why not... Where are you finding this trend data? It's not in any of these materials. Please share if you have it. I've seen all sorts of trends, but they always start after the last cycle, when it was very hot in '30s.
- ubercow13 4y agoI'm not sure if you're just being disingenuous but the title says 'as temperatures in UK near 40°C', not specifically at the location of the runway, which I guess is overtly incorrect in the sense that it's an understatement, as it exceeded 40C at multiple places today. This article has at least some stats about hottest days going back before the 30's: https://www.rte.ie/news/weather/2022/0719/1311135-uk-hottest-day/ https://www.rte.ie/news/weather/2022/0719/1311135-uk-hottest...
- ibejoeb 4y agoWhere was it over 40?
- ubercow13 4y agoIt's unclear if this list is exhaustive but from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57988023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57988023 >Heathrow Airport was the first place to break the 40C mark, hitting 40.2C at 12:50 BST but several other places also passed 40C during the afternoon, including Gringley on the Hill in Nottinghamshire and St James's Park, Kew Gardens and Northolt - all in London.
- ibejoeb 4y agoI think that's the wrong article. It says "we are likely to see temperatures of 40C" but doesn't claim that anywhere actually did.
- chimprich 4y ago> The link is an Australian paper, too. I think you missed my point. To spell it out: a modern Australian news outlet should be easily able to report accurate data. In 1911 they presumably relied on the telegraph (small "t") and human transcription, leading to a high probability of errors. And, indeed, an error seems to have occurred in this case. The maximum recorded temperature for that year was actually 36.7 °C (98.1 °F) [0]. This was presumably due to errors in transcription, rounding errors, or (ironically) deliberate sensationalism. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_weather_records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_weather_records