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i wonder if they think they can continue growing the self driving part with this approach. you will get the hacker types, but dont see this going mainstream. t
by jti107 4y ago
i wonder if they think they can continue growing the self driving part with this approach. you will get the hacker types, but dont see this going mainstream.
the way they get around regulators, is they are selling the hardware and the users are responsible for downloading and compiling the software. they support alot of cars but they are utilizing vehicle sensors off the can bus and adas vehicle commands. if the manufacturer decides to encrypt or restrict this then the approach wouldnt work.
- j0hnyl 4y agoThe question is, would it be a crime to build hardware that circumvents the encryption/restrictions. If not, they can keep going.
- georgehotz 4y agoThere's already 20 million supported cars on the road, that number is increasing year over year, and the derivative of that number is increasing year over year. Why would we worry about this?
- cabyn 4y agoIs there a reason Ford isn't supported yet? Not enough sensors? Are they coming soon?
- georgehotz 4y agoFord has two issues: 1. Older cars have a lockout on steering after 10 seconds baked into the EPS firmware. 2. While newer cars don't have this lockout, adaptive cruise control (ACC) is only on high trims. Therefore low trims lack radar and (possibly) continuous duty brake controllers. It should be better in a year or two when ACC is standard on Ford. ACC is standard on Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Stellantis, and Subaru, hence that's where the effort goes.
- cabyn 4y agoMakes sense, thanks!
- sushid 4y agoSo if we want the optionality down the road and are choosing to drive a Ford, we should opt for the Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0, correct?
- georgehotz 4y agoYes I believe you want the "Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0", not to be confused with the "Ford Co-Pilot 360™" or "Ford Co-Pilot 360™ 2.0" that won't work. The "Ford CoPilot 360 Assist+" is probably also okay, but might have the steering lockout. The "Ford Co-Pilot360™ Active 2.0 Prep Package" is good also, but it uses a different CAN message for steering after the update has been applied so YMMV. And people say comma is confusing.
- jewel 4y agoIf the software improves beyond a certain point, insurers would be willing to take on the risk of this aftermarket approach, making it viable to run a business installing this on cars. Regular consumers wouldn't have to be hacker types to want this or know anything about how it's installed. For that matter, at a certain point your car insurance might give you a big discount to have one installed and subsidize the installation and hardware costs. There's a profit motive for the first company that does so, being able to offer much cheaper rates while still paying out far less for at-fault collisions.