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The comma.ai guys appear to have pivoted to the huge Anybots market… Seems like a very strange choice.

ushakov 4y ago
context: https://www.commabody.com https://www.commabody.com personally, i don't think this is a "strange choice" for a company making self-driving vehicles more like an attempt to try to expand into other markets
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- foobiekr 4y ago
  Generally people expand into other markets when they have some viable product in one.
robocat 4y ago
https://blog.comma.ai/commabody/ https://blog.comma.ai/commabody/ The comma body is the first “intermediary” for the new mission. It’s also the pathway to supporting all cars that a human can drive. The endgame of comma isn’t a box that sits on your windshield, it’s a robot person that gets in the driver’s seat. And it will be able to do a lot more than drive. Appears to me to be a distracting pivot. Especially given the “Stay Focused on the Mission” statement in the part 1 article (which are worse examples, but still I think relevant).
- georgehotz 4y ago
  Supporting the body allows us to find bugs in openpilot that wouldn't be easy to find in cars. For example, cars barely pitch and roll, so if you have something subtly off there, it's a lot easier to spot on the body. The body is also forcing us to reduce latency on things like the cameras and IMUs; this applies to the cars, just less obviously since cars change direction slower. The mission is self driving, and while we believe it's solvable without the full solution to AI, having the body forces us to stay on a viable AI track and not write hacks. See http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html I wouldn't say it's on the level of a PR stunt giving supplies to elementary school students...
  - robocat 4y ago
    It just came across as yak shaving ;) Sorry, I wasn’t trying to accuse you, and I really admire your development path. The pattern that I have commonly seen is a company getting sidetracked from mission, by something technically cool (especially dangerous with hardware where the costs are high). > I wouldn't say it's on the level of a PR stunt giving supplies to elementary school students... Yeah sorry: being cheeky is hard to get right in text -P
- hoseja 4y ago
  Yeah I looked at the date when I read that headline. Surprisingly not an April fool's post.

context: https://www.commabody.com https://www.commabody.com personally, i don't think this is a "strange choice" for a company making self-driving vehicles more like an attempt to try to expand into other markets

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foobiekr 4y ago
Generally people expand into other markets when they have some viable product in one.

robocat 4y ago

https://blog.comma.ai/commabody/ https://blog.comma.ai/commabody/ The comma body is the first “intermediary” for the new mission. It’s also the pathway to supporting all cars that a human can drive. The endgame of comma isn’t a box that sits on your windshield, it’s a robot person that gets in the driver’s seat. And it will be able to do a lot more than drive. Appears to me to be a distracting pivot. Especially given the “Stay Focused on the Mission” statement in the part 1 article (which are worse examples, but still I think relevant).

georgehotz 4y ago
Supporting the body allows us to find bugs in openpilot that wouldn't be easy to find in cars. For example, cars barely pitch and roll, so if you have something subtly off there, it's a lot easier to spot on the body. The body is also forcing us to reduce latency on things like the cameras and IMUs; this applies to the cars, just less obviously since cars change direction slower. The mission is self driving, and while we believe it's solvable without the full solution to AI, having the body forces us to stay on a viable AI track and not write hacks. See http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html I wouldn't say it's on the level of a PR stunt giving supplies to elementary school students...
- robocat 4y ago
  It just came across as yak shaving ;) Sorry, I wasn’t trying to accuse you, and I really admire your development path. The pattern that I have commonly seen is a company getting sidetracked from mission, by something technically cool (especially dangerous with hardware where the costs are high). > I wouldn't say it's on the level of a PR stunt giving supplies to elementary school students... Yeah sorry: being cheeky is hard to get right in text -P
hoseja 4y ago
Yeah I looked at the date when I read that headline. Surprisingly not an April fool's post.