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This has been common in the scrum ceremonies I've participated in in most of my career. The standup is primarily for keeping your manager up to date on how thin

by rvense 4y ago

This has been common in the scrum ceremonies I've participated in in most of my career. The standup is primarily for keeping your manager up to date on how things are going with your estimates and maybe for asking for help from a coworker with a blocking issue. I think what Crockford outlines here would be fantastic if it worked. Multiparty code review.

pavlov 4y ago
The reason it works for movie production teams is that they don’t watch dailies most working days of their career. The film shoot is a special high-intensity time. You may spend months and months in pre-production, but the actual shoot might only be 20-30 days (on a lower-end production). Every day needs to count. If you can learn from the previous day and improve, it makes a real difference near the end of the shoot when you’ll have much more freedom to experiment. In contrast, software engineering is more of a uniform slog. Back when software shipped in physical boxes, there used to be a marked difference between the planning, development and testing phases, but that’s gone. At many companies it’s just a grind of tiny features and endless tickets. Hard to get excited about the “dailies” for that.
- corrral 4y ago
  Plus, if you miss a mistake in a shoot it will be expensive to fix after shooting wraps, if not impossible. Bugs might get more expensive to fix over time, but most don't, really. Not like that—not with such a very-near-future cliff after which they get far more expensive. And I'm not sure how many more you'd catch doing daily team reviews versus less-frequent targeted code reviews, anyway. The practice sure sounds brain-meltingly dull, to me, and with little benefit.
TheBigSalad 4y ago
If it feels that way I think your scrum master or entire team is doing a poor job. It shouldn't feel that way if you want it to work.
- crooked-v 4y ago
  That's how it's felt at literally every software job I've had that has done the "standup" thing.
  - theonething 4y ago
    Same here. I've never experienced a place where standups added value (at least from my perspective.). Quite the opposite actually.
    - lmarcos 4y ago
      Same. I don't hate them (they last at most 10 min.), but as someone who has been working for more than 12 years in the industry I think managers/teams do daily stand-ups because of cargo cult.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        Same here. I went looking for a non-standup job last month.. I didn't come across any.
        theonething 4y ago
        My current company has one once a week which is tolerable. We're hiring, especially for FE developers if you're interested.
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      - theonething 4y ago
        It's a really boring 10 minutes though and it happens everyday. And it translates to more than 10 minutes of wasted time because of the context switch (and the added drudgery that can affect morale)

by rvense 4y ago

pavlov 4y ago

The reason it works for movie production teams is that they don’t watch dailies most working days of their career. The film shoot is a special high-intensity time. You may spend months and months in pre-production, but the actual shoot might only be 20-30 days (on a lower-end production). Every day needs to count. If you can learn from the previous day and improve, it makes a real difference near the end of the shoot when you’ll have much more freedom to experiment. In contrast, software engineering is more of a uniform slog. Back when software shipped in physical boxes, there used to be a marked difference between the planning, development and testing phases, but that’s gone. At many companies it’s just a grind of tiny features and endless tickets. Hard to get excited about the “dailies” for that.

corrral 4y ago
Plus, if you miss a mistake in a shoot it will be expensive to fix after shooting wraps, if not impossible. Bugs might get more expensive to fix over time, but most don't, really. Not like that—not with such a very-near-future cliff after which they get far more expensive. And I'm not sure how many more you'd catch doing daily team reviews versus less-frequent targeted code reviews, anyway. The practice sure sounds brain-meltingly dull, to me, and with little benefit.

TheBigSalad 4y ago

If it feels that way I think your scrum master or entire team is doing a poor job. It shouldn't feel that way if you want it to work.

crooked-v 4y ago
That's how it's felt at literally every software job I've had that has done the "standup" thing.
- theonething 4y ago
  Same here. I've never experienced a place where standups added value (at least from my perspective.). Quite the opposite actually.
  - lmarcos 4y ago
    Same. I don't hate them (they last at most 10 min.), but as someone who has been working for more than 12 years in the industry I think managers/teams do daily stand-ups because of cargo cult.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Same here. I went looking for a non-standup job last month.. I didn't come across any.
      - theonething 4y ago
        My current company has one once a week which is tolerable. We're hiring, especially for FE developers if you're interested.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - theonething 4y ago
      It's a really boring 10 minutes though and it happens everyday. And it translates to more than 10 minutes of wasted time because of the context switch (and the added drudgery that can affect morale)