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In the anecdotes provided by my peers, LGBTQ friendly or LGBTQ only type of housing is rife for violence and bullying. You'd think that naturally people who are
by upupandup 4y ago
In the anecdotes provided by my peers, LGBTQ friendly or LGBTQ only type of housing is rife for violence and bullying. You'd think that naturally people who are pushed to the fringes would be kind to each other, and it just isn't the case. There's just magnified amount of animosity that can quickly grow especially.
So while I applaud the good intention, the actual reality is pretty grim, the ideal solution would be to let LGBTQ people live like any other people. However, we decided to label and group and trying to get them to create their own bubbles and I feel like this is not diversity but systematic exclusion.
Pretty soon we will see LGBTQ ghettos and the same level of exploitation that comes when you concentrate people with all sorts of personal boundaries/expectations that are not aligned. The idea that LGBTQ are somehow all united and see themselves on a flat hierarchy is misplaced and its a recipe for disaster.
It should be like in Japan, where the mainstream isn't really forced to adopt any particular views or forced to hire people from said groups but still get along respectably and more importantly, people simply do not put so much emphasis on sexuality like in Judeo-Christian societies.
Lastly, LGBTQ in Japan does not wonder about getting killed by some flag bearing closeted and insecure, violent and poor groups. Kindergartens in Japan aren't having mass shooter drills or building bulletproof panic lockers.
Neither country is better than the other, each has its own ups and downs but
In Japan you can have gay/trans walk around and they aren't worried for their safety or facing violence from strangers.
In West you can have gay/trans marriages and rights but they are walking around fearing for violence from strangers even in "liberal progressive" hoods.
Japan is also in process of introducing gay marriages, trans rights, albeit slow.
- carbadtraingood 4y agoJapan doesn't allow gay marriage, iirc?
- kayodelycaon 4y agoCorrect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions...
- david_allison 4y agoAnd you need to be sterilized before transitioning. Not a great example country to pick.
- upupandup 4y agoAnd you face life or death situation violence outside Japan. Not exactly a good alternative either despite all the rights and freedom LGBTQ are supposed to enjoy. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021 https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra...
- robertlagrant 4y agoCould you provide sources for any of these claims around the cultural differences you mention?
- upupandup 4y agoWhere's yours?
- robertlagrant 4y agoSorry, I don't understand. Where's my what?
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoJapan doesn't allow discrimination on many fronts from a business perspective, but you're romanticizing Japan. Japan is very much a culture of normalcy and not being 'normal' is a great way of getting ostracized or even bullied. Otaku culture is testament of that. Discrimination and lack of fitting in are common themes in Japanese entertainment. Gender is also very restricted. You're a man or a woman.
- upupandup 4y agoI am well aware of ijime culture which is what you describe. However the fact is that LGBTQ in Japan faces a different set of issues as do Western counterparts. Clearly the West is a leader in LGBTQ rights but the issues of violence and low social trust is another large structural difference in both cultures. I don't think I'm romanticizing Japan rather drawing contrasts. LGBTQ folks already can accept levels of social isolation/exclusion and that is true in the West as well. There is more political correctness but there still exists risk of violence in the West at a level that is different from Japan. Japan typically has had LGBTQ culture traditionally and wasn't an issue until the arrival of Christianity. So take what you can from this.
- camtarn 4y agoIn anecdotes from my own peers, regular old housing is also rife with violence and bullying. It's almost like people can just be kinda crap to each other. Anecdotes are not data, and extrapolating from 'some people told me about horrible situations' to 'ghettos and exploitation ' is complete baseless.
- upupandup 4y agookay so move into an LBGTQ housing and let us know how it goes.