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Forgive me if I've missed something, but what's the connection here?

by MoOmer 4y ago

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whimsicalism 4y ago
It's one of the 6 options for content sourcing, which seems like a massive over-representation if you are only going to have 6.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Are people really rejecting a whole project because one of 6 options is Gab? Do you people not use yt-dlp (or youtube-dl) because some of the sources they support can have more "extreme" content as well? I'd understand it if the project was built by the same people who work at Gab, or meant for Gab, or something like that, so there really is an associated. But there is not, so why blame the project for it? For all we know, the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to.
  - danjoredd 4y ago
    Agreed. This can be a helpful tool, even if one of the sources is kind of lame. Besides, since it is open source we can just erase that or add a different source.
  - Grollicus 4y ago
    yt-dlp supports a lot more than 6 sources (check out https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/tree/master/yt_dlp/extractor https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/tree/master/yt_dlp/extracto...) so I don't think that's a useful comparison
    - omniglottal 4y ago
      The matter under discussion revolves around a matter of quality, not quantity.
      - jonny_eh 4y ago
        It's about both actually.
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    > Are people really rejecting a whole project because one of 6 options is Gab? Seems like you are drawing conclusions that I, at least, never said. > Do you people not use yt-dlp (or youtube-dl) because some of the sources they support can have more "extreme" content as well? I don't think this is at all a fair comparison, as a simple glance at the front page can see. I also specifically tied my comment to there being only 6 options. > For all we know, the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to. Why would you want a recommendation feed for it then? Wouldn't you want to see it without the algorithmic distortion towards what you would prefer to see?
    - jyrkesh 4y ago
      I'm going to go out on a good faith limb here, and postulate that OP may have added Gab, Odyssee, et al because they're not yet completely walled gardens, and it's easy to integrate with their APIs for discovery without hitting API limitations. If I was building something like this, I'd start with something I use a lot (like Youtube), even if it required screen scraping, and then I'd move on to everything that had a dead simple API without low limits. BUTTTT looking at the code, it would appear that they're screen scraping everything. But maybe it just so happened that the shape of Twitter's DOM is really really close to Gab's and it was super easy to add. Or maybe this is a totally trojan horse approach to getting HN users on Gab. Who knows? But at least there's an easy way to turn it off. Not going to stop me from trying the extension, at least. (And as someone who tries to expose themselves to content bubbles that I consider insanely off-base, whether for education or entertainment, maybe I'll leave it on to see what kind of insanity is going on over there.)
    - throwaway290 4y ago
      > Why would you want a recommendation feed for it then? Reading a site out of morbid curiosity doesn't mean you never want to follow a particular topic, and what is recommendation if not following topics without having to list them explicitly.
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    > But there is not, so why blame the project for it? Because it shows a significant lapse in judgement. > the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to. Then they should say it. You can't assume good intentions when anyone willingly includes Gab because they'd be an incredibly rare outlier.
    - Xeoncross 4y ago
      > You can't assume good intentions Ouch, this really hits me. I've seen so many issues lately because of this belief. "Oh, but this one is justified!" they all say...
      - micromacrofoot 4y ago
        It's also an essential rule if you're building anything that accepts user input.
        Xeoncross 4y ago
        Certainly, but there is a difference in application here. Viewing people as evil is different from guarding against evil input you might receive. I don't have to assume everyone is a murder just because I also have a home alarm system.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
    If I'm pitching a product or open source item, I'm not linking it to Gab. I don't want the baggage associated with it to cast a shadow over what I've worked to accomplish. It's completely unrealistic to throw out some charitable and benign reason for folks to have that in their top X platforms.
    - mmazing 4y ago
      Further, if you come across a project that does utilize a far-X leaning platform, it's safe to say that the maintainer is a supporter of their message. If they are willing to publicly throw support (and jeopardize their user's opinion of them) at an extreme platform, what other explanation is there?

Forgive me if I've missed something, but what's the connection here?

by MoOmer 4y ago

Forgive me if I've missed something, but what's the connection here?

deleted 4y ago

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whimsicalism 4y ago

It's one of the 6 options for content sourcing, which seems like a massive over-representation if you are only going to have 6.

capableweb 4y ago
Are people really rejecting a whole project because one of 6 options is Gab? Do you people not use yt-dlp (or youtube-dl) because some of the sources they support can have more "extreme" content as well? I'd understand it if the project was built by the same people who work at Gab, or meant for Gab, or something like that, so there really is an associated. But there is not, so why blame the project for it? For all we know, the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to.
- danjoredd 4y ago
  Agreed. This can be a helpful tool, even if one of the sources is kind of lame. Besides, since it is open source we can just erase that or add a different source.
- Grollicus 4y ago
  yt-dlp supports a lot more than 6 sources (check out https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/tree/master/yt_dlp/extractor https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/tree/master/yt_dlp/extracto...) so I don't think that's a useful comparison
  - omniglottal 4y ago
    The matter under discussion revolves around a matter of quality, not quantity.
    - jonny_eh 4y ago
      It's about both actually.
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  > Are people really rejecting a whole project because one of 6 options is Gab? Seems like you are drawing conclusions that I, at least, never said. > Do you people not use yt-dlp (or youtube-dl) because some of the sources they support can have more "extreme" content as well? I don't think this is at all a fair comparison, as a simple glance at the front page can see. I also specifically tied my comment to there being only 6 options. > For all we know, the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to. Why would you want a recommendation feed for it then? Wouldn't you want to see it without the algorithmic distortion towards what you would prefer to see?
  - jyrkesh 4y ago
    I'm going to go out on a good faith limb here, and postulate that OP may have added Gab, Odyssee, et al because they're not yet completely walled gardens, and it's easy to integrate with their APIs for discovery without hitting API limitations. If I was building something like this, I'd start with something I use a lot (like Youtube), even if it required screen scraping, and then I'd move on to everything that had a dead simple API without low limits. BUTTTT looking at the code, it would appear that they're screen scraping everything. But maybe it just so happened that the shape of Twitter's DOM is really really close to Gab's and it was super easy to add. Or maybe this is a totally trojan horse approach to getting HN users on Gab. Who knows? But at least there's an easy way to turn it off. Not going to stop me from trying the extension, at least. (And as someone who tries to expose themselves to content bubbles that I consider insanely off-base, whether for education or entertainment, maybe I'll leave it on to see what kind of insanity is going on over there.)
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    > Why would you want a recommendation feed for it then? Reading a site out of morbid curiosity doesn't mean you never want to follow a particular topic, and what is recommendation if not following topics without having to list them explicitly.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  > But there is not, so why blame the project for it? Because it shows a significant lapse in judgement. > the author could be reading Gab because sometimes you're curious to see what all the extremists are up to. Then they should say it. You can't assume good intentions when anyone willingly includes Gab because they'd be an incredibly rare outlier.
  - Xeoncross 4y ago
    > You can't assume good intentions Ouch, this really hits me. I've seen so many issues lately because of this belief. "Oh, but this one is justified!" they all say...
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      It's also an essential rule if you're building anything that accepts user input.
      - Xeoncross 4y ago
        Certainly, but there is a difference in application here. Viewing people as evil is different from guarding against evil input you might receive. I don't have to assume everyone is a murder just because I also have a home alarm system.
- x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
  If I'm pitching a product or open source item, I'm not linking it to Gab. I don't want the baggage associated with it to cast a shadow over what I've worked to accomplish. It's completely unrealistic to throw out some charitable and benign reason for folks to have that in their top X platforms.
  - mmazing 4y ago
    Further, if you come across a project that does utilize a far-X leaning platform, it's safe to say that the maintainer is a supporter of their message. If they are willing to publicly throw support (and jeopardize their user's opinion of them) at an extreme platform, what other explanation is there?