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It would be a social good to do the inverse, to help the identities integrate instead of segregate. By living together we can more easily discover that our gend

It would be a social good to do the inverse, to help the identities integrate instead of segregate. By living together we can more easily discover that our gender and sexuality define us less than our common humanity. As with our ethnicity and religion. It's easier to see this if you s/LGBT/<other>/.

Kye 4y ago
You work on that. OP can keep working on triaging the crisis of homeless LGBT people.
Elinvynia 4y ago
As long as arguments like the "trans panic" defense exist and are viable in courts, I feel like it's better for queer people to stick together. Your idea while honorable ignores the reality that queer people experience and that one of the two parties in the US is planning to strip away more of their rights. (See: Recent RvW ruling that had their next targets set, like same sex marriage)
AlecSchueler 4y ago
This really ignores that many LGBTQIA+ people face serious housing discrimination as well as increased risk from certain kinds of aggressive behaviour. That's not to mention the benefits of having people around who understand the various social, familial and professional struggles they might face, often empathizing through first hand experience. I know many queer people who prefer to live in queer friendly houses and every city I've lived in has had ad-hoc Facebook groups catering to this need.
- president 4y ago
  > This really ignores that many LGBTQIA+ people face serious housing discrimination as well as increased risk from certain kinds of aggressive behaviour. This is a really interesting statement. How would someone discriminate against someone who is LGBTQIA+ without knowing that they were or not? LGBTQIA+ is not something that can be recognized right away like skin color.
  - carbadtraingood 4y ago
    "My same sex partner and I are looking for a place to rent". "My legal ID says James, but please use Joanna". "Oh this Pride t-shirt? Yeah, last year's was a blast, thanks for noticing!" To say nothing about things like "passing" in the trans community, or stereotypes about gay men and lesbian women.
  - _gd3l 4y ago
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  - showerst 4y ago
    I know it’s not an ideal source, but search Reddit’s legal advice subreddit sometime. There’s constant posts of people getting eviction notices because their conservative landlord saw them bring home a partner they didn’t approve of.
  - uoaei 4y ago
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    If you're _living_ with someone they're likely to figure it out. This is for helping people find flatmates. Even for non-flatmate scenarios, some landlords are remarkably nosy. Also, in many jurisdictions trans people may have legal docs in a name they don't use anymore... the list goes on. It's also reasonably common for people to be discriminated against because people _incorrectly think that they are LGBT_, incidentally.
  - taurath 4y ago
    The more recognizable you are the more discrimination you get, depending on the location. Often it also means finding roommates and optimizing for safety before anything else - harder to do when one is say, visibly transitioning in a smaller town. Christians and white nationalists tend to use the idea of LGBT people as examples of moral decay.
  - bobthepanda 4y ago
    You don’t even really need sight to discriminate. Different minority groups get different results from phone call inquiries by voice, because they have distinct linguistic patterns not present in General American English. LGBT people also have their own distinct patterns, though not all LGBT people use them. Also, some visual markers are probably present in the gay population at a higher rate than the general population, like earrings, dyed hair, or wearing clothing not tied to their sex.
carbadtraingood 4y ago
I don't think you understand just how alienated and dangerous it is to be queer in America. There's a crisis in LGBTQ+ housing. Putting queer folks in with cishet folks puts the burden of educating those cishet folks on the shoulders of someone who is already struggling to find housing. Someone experiencing housing struggles because they are queer doesn't need the added burden of being someone's teacher. Those people who need to learn the lesson that humanity is what's important? They need to learn that without relying on minorities to teach them.
- homonculus1 4y ago
  - jjj123 4y ago
    Does this mean you’re surprised there are queer people on hn? Or that queer people are willing to talk about “queer stuff” on hn? Edited for clarity
    - homonculus1 4y ago
      - AlecSchueler 4y ago
        Couple of things to say to this. First up, this is a technical solution to problem so it seems to fit with what you miss on the first place. But secondly, in the 10+ years I've been coming to this site almost daily it has never been "highly focused" in the way you describe -- it's always been about anything that piques one's intellectual curiosity. But beyond that, being LGBTQIA+ is not a niche thing. Every workplace, classroom, and social circle I've ever been in has had LGBT members. Moreover it's not a "sexual lifestyle" it's simply a part of someone's existence. Your comment is actually bordering on homophobia and that's something I personally hadn't expected to see on HN.
        4y ago
pavon 4y ago
It is good for people to have experiences outside of their comfort zone, and to interact with others with different beliefs than their own. It is also important for people to have places and social support structures where they feel safe. A person's home should really be part of their safe space, not the stretching space.
alxjrvs 4y ago
That would be good. You know how we get to that universe? Having more queer people around. You know how we do that?
causi 4y ago
Social goods are often the inverse of individual goods. I'm not going to make anyone an involuntary advocate.
taurath 4y ago
Physical and psychological safety is a far more primary concern when it comes to a living space for someone. One’s home is, for more people, a place to relax not a place to challenge social dynamics. LGBT people regularly move across the country to find safer spaces for them to be themselves, because there isn’t much in terms of safety or community for them where they grow up.

Kye 4y ago

You work on that. OP can keep working on triaging the crisis of homeless LGBT people.

Elinvynia 4y ago

As long as arguments like the "trans panic" defense exist and are viable in courts, I feel like it's better for queer people to stick together. Your idea while honorable ignores the reality that queer people experience and that one of the two parties in the US is planning to strip away more of their rights. (See: Recent RvW ruling that had their next targets set, like same sex marriage)

AlecSchueler 4y ago

This really ignores that many LGBTQIA+ people face serious housing discrimination as well as increased risk from certain kinds of aggressive behaviour. That's not to mention the benefits of having people around who understand the various social, familial and professional struggles they might face, often empathizing through first hand experience. I know many queer people who prefer to live in queer friendly houses and every city I've lived in has had ad-hoc Facebook groups catering to this need.

president 4y ago
> This really ignores that many LGBTQIA+ people face serious housing discrimination as well as increased risk from certain kinds of aggressive behaviour. This is a really interesting statement. How would someone discriminate against someone who is LGBTQIA+ without knowing that they were or not? LGBTQIA+ is not something that can be recognized right away like skin color.
- carbadtraingood 4y ago
  "My same sex partner and I are looking for a place to rent". "My legal ID says James, but please use Joanna". "Oh this Pride t-shirt? Yeah, last year's was a blast, thanks for noticing!" To say nothing about things like "passing" in the trans community, or stereotypes about gay men and lesbian women.
- _gd3l 4y ago
  [dead]
- showerst 4y ago
  I know it’s not an ideal source, but search Reddit’s legal advice subreddit sometime. There’s constant posts of people getting eviction notices because their conservative landlord saw them bring home a partner they didn’t approve of.
- uoaei 4y ago
- rsynnott 4y ago
  If you're _living_ with someone they're likely to figure it out. This is for helping people find flatmates. Even for non-flatmate scenarios, some landlords are remarkably nosy. Also, in many jurisdictions trans people may have legal docs in a name they don't use anymore... the list goes on. It's also reasonably common for people to be discriminated against because people _incorrectly think that they are LGBT_, incidentally.
- taurath 4y ago
  The more recognizable you are the more discrimination you get, depending on the location. Often it also means finding roommates and optimizing for safety before anything else - harder to do when one is say, visibly transitioning in a smaller town. Christians and white nationalists tend to use the idea of LGBT people as examples of moral decay.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  You don’t even really need sight to discriminate. Different minority groups get different results from phone call inquiries by voice, because they have distinct linguistic patterns not present in General American English. LGBT people also have their own distinct patterns, though not all LGBT people use them. Also, some visual markers are probably present in the gay population at a higher rate than the general population, like earrings, dyed hair, or wearing clothing not tied to their sex.

carbadtraingood 4y ago

I don't think you understand just how alienated and dangerous it is to be queer in America. There's a crisis in LGBTQ+ housing. Putting queer folks in with cishet folks puts the burden of educating those cishet folks on the shoulders of someone who is already struggling to find housing. Someone experiencing housing struggles because they are queer doesn't need the added burden of being someone's teacher. Those people who need to learn the lesson that humanity is what's important? They need to learn that without relying on minorities to teach them.

homonculus1 4y ago
- jjj123 4y ago
  Does this mean you’re surprised there are queer people on hn? Or that queer people are willing to talk about “queer stuff” on hn? Edited for clarity
  - homonculus1 4y ago
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      Couple of things to say to this. First up, this is a technical solution to problem so it seems to fit with what you miss on the first place. But secondly, in the 10+ years I've been coming to this site almost daily it has never been "highly focused" in the way you describe -- it's always been about anything that piques one's intellectual curiosity. But beyond that, being LGBTQIA+ is not a niche thing. Every workplace, classroom, and social circle I've ever been in has had LGBT members. Moreover it's not a "sexual lifestyle" it's simply a part of someone's existence. Your comment is actually bordering on homophobia and that's something I personally hadn't expected to see on HN.
      - 4y ago

pavon 4y ago

It is good for people to have experiences outside of their comfort zone, and to interact with others with different beliefs than their own. It is also important for people to have places and social support structures where they feel safe. A person's home should really be part of their safe space, not the stretching space.

alxjrvs 4y ago

That would be good. You know how we get to that universe? Having more queer people around. You know how we do that?

causi 4y ago

Social goods are often the inverse of individual goods. I'm not going to make anyone an involuntary advocate.

taurath 4y ago

Physical and psychological safety is a far more primary concern when it comes to a living space for someone. One’s home is, for more people, a place to relax not a place to challenge social dynamics. LGBT people regularly move across the country to find safer spaces for them to be themselves, because there isn’t much in terms of safety or community for them where they grow up.