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I have concern about the source website, seem to aggregate climate change denier oriented news. But about these number it's true, lot of maintenance is usually

by Algent 4y ago

I have concern about the source website, seem to aggregate climate change denier oriented news. But about these number it's true, lot of maintenance is usually pushed back to the summer so it's ready to take the high load of heaters in the winter. You can check it real time here: https://www.rte-france.com/eco2mix/la-production-delectricite-par-filiere https://www.rte-france.com/eco2mix/la-production-delectricit... Also since 2010 French energy production have to be sold by EDF at loss to help private reseller make more margins and "open the market". This cause several bn of loss per year which is money not available to construct new reactors or pay for proper maintenance. EDF was also forced to buy Areva when their reactor branch went under because of abysmal management of money on major projects... which EDF now also have to support. Long story short French energy production isn't looking good lately, reactors are getting older and only one is currently being made but the project is several years late.

Gwypaas 4y ago
My take is that the French government wants to have a nuclear industry to share the costs with the military side. Thus subsidizing nuclear submarines, carriers and nuclear weapons while keeping a skilled industry to base it on. To allow this the population get subsidized electricity, and everyone else can read about the amazingly cheap electricity in France even though it's a pure subsidy. In 2010, as part of the progressive liberalisation of the energy market under EU directives, France agreed the Accès régulé à l'électricité nucléaire historique (ARENH) regulations that allowed third party suppliers access up to about a quarter of France's pre-2011 nuclear generation capacity, at a fixed price of €42/MWh from 1 July 2011 until 31 December 2025.[57][58][59] > As of 2015, France's household electricity price, excluding taxation, is the 12th cheapest amongst the 28 member European Union and the second-cheapest to industrial consumers.[60] The actual cost of generating electricity by nuclear power is not published by EDF or the French government but is estimated to be between €59/MWh and €83/MWh.[61] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France
- ElKrist 4y ago
  You say that nuclear in France is not profitable and so is subsidized (potentially, don't want to argue that here). To back this you use the fact France agreed to a mechanism (ARENH) to sell its electricity BELOW market rates (this is true). The logical connection makes no sense. If you want to keep something alive and need subsidies for it, why would you on top of that decide to make even more losses on it? Now, we could agree that maybe France did not have the choice to agree. But don't use ARENH as a proof that nuclear is subsidized

by Algent 4y ago

Gwypaas 4y ago

My take is that the French government wants to have a nuclear industry to share the costs with the military side. Thus subsidizing nuclear submarines, carriers and nuclear weapons while keeping a skilled industry to base it on. To allow this the population get subsidized electricity, and everyone else can read about the amazingly cheap electricity in France even though it's a pure subsidy. In 2010, as part of the progressive liberalisation of the energy market under EU directives, France agreed the Accès régulé à l'électricité nucléaire historique (ARENH) regulations that allowed third party suppliers access up to about a quarter of France's pre-2011 nuclear generation capacity, at a fixed price of €42/MWh from 1 July 2011 until 31 December 2025.[57][58][59] > As of 2015, France's household electricity price, excluding taxation, is the 12th cheapest amongst the 28 member European Union and the second-cheapest to industrial consumers.[60] The actual cost of generating electricity by nuclear power is not published by EDF or the French government but is estimated to be between €59/MWh and €83/MWh.[61] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France

ElKrist 4y ago
You say that nuclear in France is not profitable and so is subsidized (potentially, don't want to argue that here). To back this you use the fact France agreed to a mechanism (ARENH) to sell its electricity BELOW market rates (this is true). The logical connection makes no sense. If you want to keep something alive and need subsidies for it, why would you on top of that decide to make even more losses on it? Now, we could agree that maybe France did not have the choice to agree. But don't use ARENH as a proof that nuclear is subsidized