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Good luck getting the nickel and cobalt for a million acres of solar panels and batteries

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Ain't nobody using cobalt long term. The price of nickel, copper, polysilicon, and lithium might rise based on demand, but there are ample reserves in conflict free areas, not to mention recycling supply chains to source as "premium ore." The logistical work must be done, but there are no show stoppers. Draw your attention specifically to my last two links. https://electrek.co/2021/02/26/elon-musk-tesla-shifting-more-electric-cars-lfp-batteries-nickel-supply-concerns/ https://electrek.co/2021/02/26/elon-musk-tesla-shifting-more... https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-batteries-in-half-new-cars-produced/ https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-b... https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/08/byd-to-supply-lfp-batteries-to-tesla-sakuu-announces-3c-lithium-metal-battery/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/08/byd-to-supply-lfp-batte... https://www.energy-storage.news/lfp-to-dominate-3twh-global-lithium-ion-battery-market-by-2030/ https://www.energy-storage.news/lfp-to-dominate-3twh-global-... https://graphics.reuters.com/ELECTRIC-VEHICLES-METALS/010092JB38P/index.html https://graphics.reuters.com/ELECTRIC-VEHICLES-METALS/010092... https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/18/theres-big-money-in-recycling-materials-from-solar-panels/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/18/theres-big-money-in-r... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/modern-renewable-energy-consumption https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/modern-renewable-energy-c... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-cumulative-capacity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-cumulative-capac... (i personally prefer lfp due to lower thermal runaway risk for stationary storage applications; the lack of expensive conflict minerals and lower costs are a cherry on top)
- __alexs 4y ago
  Is Cobalt free PV available in a timescale that means it can still beat nuclear? If not it's kind of irrelevant.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    How much cobalt is used in a PV panel? I believe that question leads you to the answer.
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SiempreViernes 4y ago
Good luck even spelling the exotic metals you need for a nuclear power plant.
- jiveturkey42 4y ago
  Swing and a miss, but thanks for trying
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  It's true that "dysprosium" is not as familiar an element as "nickel". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysprosium_titanate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysprosium_titanate

Ain't nobody using cobalt long term. The price of nickel, copper, polysilicon, and lithium might rise based on demand, but there are ample reserves in conflict free areas, not to mention recycling supply chains to source as "premium ore." The logistical work must be done, but there are no show stoppers. Draw your attention specifically to my last two links. https://electrek.co/2021/02/26/elon-musk-tesla-shifting-more-electric-cars-lfp-batteries-nickel-supply-concerns/ https://electrek.co/2021/02/26/elon-musk-tesla-shifting-more... https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-batteries-in-half-new-cars-produced/ https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-b... https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/08/byd-to-supply-lfp-batteries-to-tesla-sakuu-announces-3c-lithium-metal-battery/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/06/08/byd-to-supply-lfp-batte... https://www.energy-storage.news/lfp-to-dominate-3twh-global-lithium-ion-battery-market-by-2030/ https://www.energy-storage.news/lfp-to-dominate-3twh-global-... https://graphics.reuters.com/ELECTRIC-VEHICLES-METALS/010092JB38P/index.html https://graphics.reuters.com/ELECTRIC-VEHICLES-METALS/010092... https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/18/theres-big-money-in-recycling-materials-from-solar-panels/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/18/theres-big-money-in-r... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/modern-renewable-energy-consumption https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/modern-renewable-energy-c... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-cumulative-capacity https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-cumulative-capac... (i personally prefer lfp due to lower thermal runaway risk for stationary storage applications; the lack of expensive conflict minerals and lower costs are a cherry on top)

__alexs 4y ago
Is Cobalt free PV available in a timescale that means it can still beat nuclear? If not it's kind of irrelevant.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  How much cobalt is used in a PV panel? I believe that question leads you to the answer.
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SiempreViernes 4y ago

Good luck even spelling the exotic metals you need for a nuclear power plant.

jiveturkey42 4y ago
Swing and a miss, but thanks for trying
dane-pgp 4y ago
It's true that "dysprosium" is not as familiar an element as "nickel". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysprosium_titanate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysprosium_titanate