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Why should we also not point fingers? Deforestation fell dramatically under Lula while inequality fell and the economy grew quickly. What "we" did in the past

Why should we also not point fingers? Deforestation fell dramatically under Lula while inequality fell and the economy grew quickly. What "we" did in the past means environmental protection should be subsidised by the west, but our history doesn't let Brazil's government off the hook.

orbital223 4y ago
Both deforestation and inequality fall when the economy does better and rise in times of economic crisis. The economic improvement "under" Lula was mostly due to international factors (the boon in the price of commodities) which is why it collapsed under Dilma (Lula's protegé). Instead of using the economic surplus that fell into his lap to invest in infrastructure and industrialization, Lula used it to fund the largest corruption scheme in our history.
- cauefcr 4y ago
  Well, just you wait for the 100 year Bolsonaro bullshit censoring of his government corruption https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2021-08-08/cem-anos-de-protecao-a-bolsonaro.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2021-08-08/cem-anos-de-prot... to be lifted, and such number is likely to be updated, and also, Lula did not get convicted. Edit: trickle down economics has no basis in reality either.
- Sporktacular 4y ago
  Lula's personal culpability has never been established to the degree you suggest. Just compare him to Temer, Bolsonaro and the entire Bolsonaro clan, which bought off Moro, is weakening protections for the rainforest (benefiting his associates), and is systematically dismantling anti-corruption institutions. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/10/13/transparencia-internacional-aponta-em-relatorios-retrocessos-no-combate-a-corrupcao-no-brasil.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/10/13/transparenc... Just because the investigations haven't begun doesn't mean they're not coming. It's a weak argument given the responsible alternatives to explore that benefit more people. The government deserves criticism.
- epups 4y ago
  > Instead of using the economic surplus that fell into his lap to invest in infrastructure and industrialization, Lula used it to fund the largest corruption scheme in our history. Lula and Dilma spearheaded the biggest infrastructure investment in Brazilian history, both in absolute and relative terms. There was corruption, but the claim that it was the largest corruption scheme is laughable, a talking point of dumbass bolsonaristas.

orbital223 4y ago

Both deforestation and inequality fall when the economy does better and rise in times of economic crisis. The economic improvement "under" Lula was mostly due to international factors (the boon in the price of commodities) which is why it collapsed under Dilma (Lula's protegé). Instead of using the economic surplus that fell into his lap to invest in infrastructure and industrialization, Lula used it to fund the largest corruption scheme in our history.

cauefcr 4y ago
Well, just you wait for the 100 year Bolsonaro bullshit censoring of his government corruption https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2021-08-08/cem-anos-de-protecao-a-bolsonaro.html https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2021-08-08/cem-anos-de-prot... to be lifted, and such number is likely to be updated, and also, Lula did not get convicted. Edit: trickle down economics has no basis in reality either.
Sporktacular 4y ago
Lula's personal culpability has never been established to the degree you suggest. Just compare him to Temer, Bolsonaro and the entire Bolsonaro clan, which bought off Moro, is weakening protections for the rainforest (benefiting his associates), and is systematically dismantling anti-corruption institutions. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/10/13/transparencia-internacional-aponta-em-relatorios-retrocessos-no-combate-a-corrupcao-no-brasil.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2020/10/13/transparenc... Just because the investigations haven't begun doesn't mean they're not coming. It's a weak argument given the responsible alternatives to explore that benefit more people. The government deserves criticism.
epups 4y ago
> Instead of using the economic surplus that fell into his lap to invest in infrastructure and industrialization, Lula used it to fund the largest corruption scheme in our history. Lula and Dilma spearheaded the biggest infrastructure investment in Brazilian history, both in absolute and relative terms. There was corruption, but the claim that it was the largest corruption scheme is laughable, a talking point of dumbass bolsonaristas.