> I've read through most comments, and it's what you would expect from a group of largely white, upper class, men - a philosophical debate that HN seems focuse

> I've read through most comments, and it's what you would expect from a group of largely white, upper class, men - a philosophical debate that HN seems focused on the definition of life and drawing tortured analogies because seemingly no one here can actually relate to what it's like to need an abortion to save their own life. This is a site geared towards philosophical discussion. What were you expecting exactly? I would add that your claim regarding the people here being "unaffected" is disingenuous and presumptive. That no one here is on a moral crusade on your behalf, does not mean no one cares about the issue. We wouldn't be talking about it otherwise. > barely even touches on the real experiences of women and minorities who will be the ones whose lives are most affected as a result of the new laws being passed. Firstly, the absolute and relative populations of biological females on this forum are low. How exactly do you expect people to comprehend the "lived experiences" of a demographic that one is unlikely to run into on this forum? Secondly, women and minorities are not ideological monoliths. Polls indicate that there are about as many women against abortion as there are for them across all ethnicities, levels of wealth, creeds, and religions. The lived experiences of a female South Korean Presbyterian or female Ugandan Anglican are going to fall closer to that of the stereotypical Christian male Republican than they do to the stereotype of the disenfranchised single mother-to-be. > The second and third order effects of the recent court decision will change many aspects of our lives and our society, and it seems that has not actually caught up with many people here yet. If you had taken the time to read a number of the comments, many have touched on the same point by way of the very philosophical discussion you disdain. Of course, this ruling has long-term effects. However, your approach to it ignores the hows and then whys and isn't conducive to discussion.