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Most of developed countries except the US. People have legitimate expectations of privacy in the office and/or during working time. Employment means selling y

Most of developed countries except the US. People have legitimate expectations of privacy in the office and/or during working time. Employment means selling your skills and effort, not becoming a servant or a slave in a feudal society. Additionally, having delicate information in the hands of the company in general or sysadm/security engineers create a ton of liabilities. There has to be a balance between security needs, corporate surveillance, privacy and worker rights.

lazide 4y ago
Practically, the company needs to administer and secure their equipment for a number of reasons, including a legal need to keep their customers data safe. That requires them to use tools which can easily let them know, for instance, what websites someone is visiting, and what executables are executing on the machine, what devices are being accessed and when, etc. It’s pretty fundamental. An individual looking to secure their machine would need to do the same thing. If a company abuses that to spy on every waking moment of an employee, that is obviously abusive (barring cases of investigating legitimate suspected abuse by the employee I guess?). But you’d need to somehow codify in law the line, and I haven’t see anyone having any success here so far. I have seen employees steal massive amounts of trade secrets, secretly steal customers from employers, run porn sites from company equipment, etc. I’ve also seen employees so creepy stuff like stalking customers, stalking other employees, harassing other employees using this tech too. Personally, I’ve always kept employer laptops and stuff closed and off when not used, and try to segregate personal and work equipment, but that’s been more to avoid something embarrassing coming up during a presentation or the like.
- labawi 4y ago
  Just because it is easy and achieves a purpose doesn't make it necessary or right. People could be making backhanded deals on their phones or they could be having an urgent confidential conversation with their doctor or spouse. Should the company record and review phone calls? People could be stalking customers/coworkers or making deals in the bathroom. Or they could be using it for more personal purposes. Should the bathrooms have CCTV with audio? People could be selling company data in the company parking lot, in the mall or at home near/using the company laptop/phone that is permitted to be used for personal reasons, or just mandated to be near them, or they could do the same thing without presence or use of any company equipment. Where do you draw the line, and at what point is it even sufficient to prevent losing information etc.? Do you trust your employees? All trust can be abused, yet how can the company function if they don't trust their employees at all?

lazide 4y ago

Practically, the company needs to administer and secure their equipment for a number of reasons, including a legal need to keep their customers data safe. That requires them to use tools which can easily let them know, for instance, what websites someone is visiting, and what executables are executing on the machine, what devices are being accessed and when, etc. It’s pretty fundamental. An individual looking to secure their machine would need to do the same thing. If a company abuses that to spy on every waking moment of an employee, that is obviously abusive (barring cases of investigating legitimate suspected abuse by the employee I guess?). But you’d need to somehow codify in law the line, and I haven’t see anyone having any success here so far. I have seen employees steal massive amounts of trade secrets, secretly steal customers from employers, run porn sites from company equipment, etc. I’ve also seen employees so creepy stuff like stalking customers, stalking other employees, harassing other employees using this tech too. Personally, I’ve always kept employer laptops and stuff closed and off when not used, and try to segregate personal and work equipment, but that’s been more to avoid something embarrassing coming up during a presentation or the like.

labawi 4y ago
Just because it is easy and achieves a purpose doesn't make it necessary or right. People could be making backhanded deals on their phones or they could be having an urgent confidential conversation with their doctor or spouse. Should the company record and review phone calls? People could be stalking customers/coworkers or making deals in the bathroom. Or they could be using it for more personal purposes. Should the bathrooms have CCTV with audio? People could be selling company data in the company parking lot, in the mall or at home near/using the company laptop/phone that is permitted to be used for personal reasons, or just mandated to be near them, or they could do the same thing without presence or use of any company equipment. Where do you draw the line, and at what point is it even sufficient to prevent losing information etc.? Do you trust your employees? All trust can be abused, yet how can the company function if they don't trust their employees at all?