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Ukraine's president fires spy chief and top state prosecutor

5 points by frozencell 4y ago

frozencell 4y ago
This is an official statement about the nature of the Bucha massacre a few months ago. I really had a hard time searching for unbiased source about Bucha but found this: > In Bucha, the Times was close to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, whose soldiers appear in the newspaper’s photographs. In his piece, McCann suggests that Azov may responsible for the killings: Something very interesting then happens on [Saturday] 2 April, hours before a massacre is brought to the attention of the national and international media. The U.S. and EU-funded Gorshenin Institute online [Ukrainian language] site Left Bank announced that: ‘Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.’ The Russian military has by now completely left the city, so this sounds for all the world like reprisals. The state authorities would be going through the city searching for ‘saboteurs’ and ‘accomplices of Russian forces.’ Only the day before [Friday], Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the town council authority, appeared on an information video on the Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce ‘the cleansing of the city.’ She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete (but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn), and that a ‘complete sweep’ had to be performed. Ukraintsiva was speaking a day after the mayor had said the town was liberated. By Sunday morning, the world learned of the massacre of hundreds of people. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We strongly condemn apparent atrocities by Kremlin forces in Bucha and across Ukraine. We are pursuing accountability using every tool available, documenting and sharing information to hold accountable those responsible.” President Joe Biden on Monday called for a “war crimes” trial. This guy is brutal, and what’s happening in Bucha is outrageous, and everyone’s seen it. I think it’s a war crime. The Bucha incident is a critical moment in the war. An impartial investigation is warranted, which probably only the U.N. could conduct. The Azov Battalion may have perpetrated revenge killings against Russian collaborators, or the Russians carried out this massacre. (Once again the Pentagon is dampening the war hysteria, saying it can’t confirm or deny Russia was responsible.) [0] https://mronline.org/2022/04/06/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre-warning-graphic-images/ https://mronline.org/2022/04/06/questions-abound-about-bucha...
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- wrp 4y ago
  There are NGOs that report on civilian welfare in war zones, such as Amnesty International and the Red Cross. Has no reputable agency investigated Bucha yet?
  - frozencell 4y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-president-fires-security-service-chief-prosecutor-general-2022-07-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-president-fire... The problem is that with a ctrl-f and some skimming I cannot find any mention of the Azov regiment, which Ukrainian official talk about on Telegram, TV and other sources. > Amnesty International https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/5561/2022/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/5561/2022/en/

5 points by frozencell 4y ago

This is an official statement about the nature of the Bucha massacre a few months ago. I really had a hard time searching for unbiased source about Bucha but found this: > In Bucha, the Times was close to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, whose soldiers appear in the newspaper’s photographs. In his piece, McCann suggests that Azov may responsible for the killings: Something very interesting then happens on [Saturday] 2 April, hours before a massacre is brought to the attention of the national and international media. The U.S. and EU-funded Gorshenin Institute online [Ukrainian language] site Left Bank announced that: ‘Special forces have begun a clearing operation in the city of Bucha in the Kyiv region, which has been liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The city is being cleared from saboteurs and accomplices of Russian forces.’ The Russian military has by now completely left the city, so this sounds for all the world like reprisals. The state authorities would be going through the city searching for ‘saboteurs’ and ‘accomplices of Russian forces.’ Only the day before [Friday], Ekaterina Ukraintsiva, representing the town council authority, appeared on an information video on the Bucha Live Telegram page wearing military fatigues and seated in front of a Ukrainian flag to announce ‘the cleansing of the city.’ She informed residents that the arrival of the Azov battalion did not mean that liberation was complete (but it was, the Russians had fully withdrawn), and that a ‘complete sweep’ had to be performed. Ukraintsiva was speaking a day after the mayor had said the town was liberated. By Sunday morning, the world learned of the massacre of hundreds of people. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We strongly condemn apparent atrocities by Kremlin forces in Bucha and across Ukraine. We are pursuing accountability using every tool available, documenting and sharing information to hold accountable those responsible.” President Joe Biden on Monday called for a “war crimes” trial. This guy is brutal, and what’s happening in Bucha is outrageous, and everyone’s seen it. I think it’s a war crime. The Bucha incident is a critical moment in the war. An impartial investigation is warranted, which probably only the U.N. could conduct. The Azov Battalion may have perpetrated revenge killings against Russian collaborators, or the Russians carried out this massacre. (Once again the Pentagon is dampening the war hysteria, saying it can’t confirm or deny Russia was responsible.) [0] https://mronline.org/2022/04/06/questions-abound-about-bucha-massacre-warning-graphic-images/ https://mronline.org/2022/04/06/questions-abound-about-bucha...

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wrp 4y ago
There are NGOs that report on civilian welfare in war zones, such as Amnesty International and the Red Cross. Has no reputable agency investigated Bucha yet?
- frozencell 4y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-president-fires-security-service-chief-prosecutor-general-2022-07-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-president-fire... The problem is that with a ctrl-f and some skimming I cannot find any mention of the Azov regiment, which Ukrainian official talk about on Telegram, TV and other sources. > Amnesty International https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/5561/2022/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/5561/2022/en/