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>data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem Very much this. As a Europ

>data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem Very much this. As a European who doesn't intent to set a single foot in China, I'm much more comfortable at the thought of China having my data than my own government.

cudgy 4y ago
What if your government gets the data anyway? Hackers could hack TikTok servers and release data or sell to interested parties. Your government may already be tracking your TikTok usage by sniffing traffic on intermediate servers or other measures. Or China may even sell or share this information (or worse, manipulated false information) for strategic purposes.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  All good points that equally apply to Meta/Google/etc. why does TikTok deserve special treatment here other than economic protectionism?
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    I feel like I need to use clapping hands emojis to get the point across, but I will refrain. --- The US government is more ethical and more respectful of the rule of law and human rights than Russia or China. Let me paste it in again, so we know it isn't a typo: The US government is more ethical and more respectful of the rule of law and human rights than Russia or China. --- The US government is not perfect. Portions of the US government are a danger to the rights of some people, particularly civilians in the middle east. Regarding "cyber", it has several major stains on its history, including PRISM, XKeyscore, warrantless wiretapping, and the current president's support of the Clipper chip in the 90s. I support privacy protections on mobile devices and mobile apps, and support in general stronger regulations against the collection of personal information by tech giants. I resent Meta and Google for the amount of data they collect about me and everyone I know with any Android device/Meta app installed. Every statement I have made can be made while non-hypocritically supporting the statement by the FCC regarding TikTok. It isn't just economic protectionism - it's national security. I don't think a Chinese politician or military official should have Facebook or Instagram installed on their mobile phone, either.

cudgy 4y ago

What if your government gets the data anyway? Hackers could hack TikTok servers and release data or sell to interested parties. Your government may already be tracking your TikTok usage by sniffing traffic on intermediate servers or other measures. Or China may even sell or share this information (or worse, manipulated false information) for strategic purposes.

AlexandrB 4y ago
All good points that equally apply to Meta/Google/etc. why does TikTok deserve special treatment here other than economic protectionism?
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  I feel like I need to use clapping hands emojis to get the point across, but I will refrain. --- The US government is more ethical and more respectful of the rule of law and human rights than Russia or China. Let me paste it in again, so we know it isn't a typo: The US government is more ethical and more respectful of the rule of law and human rights than Russia or China. --- The US government is not perfect. Portions of the US government are a danger to the rights of some people, particularly civilians in the middle east. Regarding "cyber", it has several major stains on its history, including PRISM, XKeyscore, warrantless wiretapping, and the current president's support of the Clipper chip in the 90s. I support privacy protections on mobile devices and mobile apps, and support in general stronger regulations against the collection of personal information by tech giants. I resent Meta and Google for the amount of data they collect about me and everyone I know with any Android device/Meta app installed. Every statement I have made can be made while non-hypocritically supporting the statement by the FCC regarding TikTok. It isn't just economic protectionism - it's national security. I don't think a Chinese politician or military official should have Facebook or Instagram installed on their mobile phone, either.