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They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy the

They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you see western governments doing this?

shreyshnaccount 4y ago
no, in the west we see companies banning content, not the govt. pot, kettle.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  What social media company in the US bans positive coverage of mRNA vaccines? In the US algorithms ban content, often by mistake. In China a political official or someone working for the government reviews the content personally. Big difference.
  - therealasdf 4y ago
    Twitter bans negative coverage
  - cudgy 4y ago
    Algorithms are designed and tweaked by people who have biases and can be threatened by government officials or influenced by the media they consume which itself is majorly influenced by government organizations, lobbyist organizations, and corporate sponsors. Also, who’s to judge that these poor algorithmic decisions are “mistakes” when only the companies are privy to the mechanics of the algorithm?
snehk 4y ago
Again, they don't ban them. You're talking about a completely different thing. The Chinese rules (whatever they may be) apply to all companies. Your example even mentioned WeChat, a Chinese company. You would need to find an example where a US company is forced to do things that a company from China doesn't have to. My argument is about having the same rules for everyone. The argument about data collection and privacy is a good one. It's just completely dishonest and hypocritical and doesn't serve the end user any purpose if it doesn't apply to everyone and it just clearly doesn't.
DocTomoe 4y ago
> They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. Different censorship, different disinformation - but we have that in the west as well. The EU is several steps ahead in this race thanks to their Digital Services Act (making it criminal to spread some information, and threatening service providers with million-Euro-fines if they don't delete quickly enough [as in: within hours]), but the US has its very own 'Disinformation Governance Board' located with DHS, which is in all but name a Ministry of Truth. You are supposed to use the Internet to earn money and consume and spend, not to question the narrative. There are no good countries. All nation-states suck. Some are better at marketing their alleged superiority to their less-intelligent (and thanks to controlling the education system: kept less-intelligent) population through "patriotism", though.
modo_mario 4y ago
>See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you happen to have a decent source for that since it seems rather weird given China's gov stance on covid.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  China’s stance on Covid is that America is responsible. I’ll update with the wechat source when I find it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theories/2021/01/20/89bd3d2a-5a2d-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...
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hnlmorg 4y ago
I haven't seen that happen in China either. How do you know it actually happened and wasn't some other rumour spread (since there's a plethora of disinformation both for and against the Chinese government)? To be clear, I'm not in favour of the Chinese regime but your particular point does still require a citation.
- dubswithus 4y ago
  Because what I claimed is so outrageous? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theories/2021/01/20/89bd3d2a-5a2d-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c... I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though.
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    > Because what I claimed is so outrageous? No, because what you claimed requires substantiation. Please lets be calm about our discussion here. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c... > I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though. Thank you :)

shreyshnaccount 4y ago

no, in the west we see companies banning content, not the govt. pot, kettle.

dubswithus 4y ago
What social media company in the US bans positive coverage of mRNA vaccines? In the US algorithms ban content, often by mistake. In China a political official or someone working for the government reviews the content personally. Big difference.
- therealasdf 4y ago
  Twitter bans negative coverage
- cudgy 4y ago
  Algorithms are designed and tweaked by people who have biases and can be threatened by government officials or influenced by the media they consume which itself is majorly influenced by government organizations, lobbyist organizations, and corporate sponsors. Also, who’s to judge that these poor algorithmic decisions are “mistakes” when only the companies are privy to the mechanics of the algorithm?

snehk 4y ago

Again, they don't ban them. You're talking about a completely different thing. The Chinese rules (whatever they may be) apply to all companies. Your example even mentioned WeChat, a Chinese company. You would need to find an example where a US company is forced to do things that a company from China doesn't have to. My argument is about having the same rules for everyone. The argument about data collection and privacy is a good one. It's just completely dishonest and hypocritical and doesn't serve the end user any purpose if it doesn't apply to everyone and it just clearly doesn't.

DocTomoe 4y ago

> They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. Different censorship, different disinformation - but we have that in the west as well. The EU is several steps ahead in this race thanks to their Digital Services Act (making it criminal to spread some information, and threatening service providers with million-Euro-fines if they don't delete quickly enough [as in: within hours]), but the US has its very own 'Disinformation Governance Board' located with DHS, which is in all but name a Ministry of Truth. You are supposed to use the Internet to earn money and consume and spend, not to question the narrative. There are no good countries. All nation-states suck. Some are better at marketing their alleged superiority to their less-intelligent (and thanks to controlling the education system: kept less-intelligent) population through "patriotism", though.

modo_mario 4y ago

>See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you happen to have a decent source for that since it seems rather weird given China's gov stance on covid.

dubswithus 4y ago
China’s stance on Covid is that America is responsible. I’ll update with the wechat source when I find it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theories/2021/01/20/89bd3d2a-5a2d-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...
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hnlmorg 4y ago

I haven't seen that happen in China either. How do you know it actually happened and wasn't some other rumour spread (since there's a plethora of disinformation both for and against the Chinese government)? To be clear, I'm not in favour of the Chinese regime but your particular point does still require a citation.

dubswithus 4y ago
Because what I claimed is so outrageous? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theories/2021/01/20/89bd3d2a-5a2d-11eb-a849-6f9423a75ffd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c... I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though.
- hnlmorg 4y ago
  > Because what I claimed is so outrageous? No, because what you claimed requires substantiation. Please lets be calm about our discussion here. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c... > I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though. Thank you :)