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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) Lawyer that opposed net neutrality and now voicing his

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) Lawyer that opposed net neutrality and now voicing his disapproval of apps built by the China. Sounds like he's making a play to become a career politician using his version of what 'ok authoritarianism' is. I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. I.e. show me 1000 tiktok downloaded videos run through a program with their metadata something of strategic importance to a nation state (like the location of nuclear missiles haha).

worthless-trash 4y ago
You're asking for the impossible as 'anyone' is not tiktok. We as individuals don't have access to that data, only tiktok does.. so we as individuals can't prove this to you. Edit: Removed ask to share all personal data, because its bad form.
- epolanski 4y ago
  Pretty sure that European users data has to be hosted in Europe and there are serious limits on the info you can get outside. I know that this is one of the reasons why TikTok has highly invested in Ireland.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    The other being that Ireland is advantageous to incorporate in for tax purposes?
  - Gwypaas 4y ago
    There are some provisions for getting data out but they all rely on guaranteeing the same level of protection as GDPR does. This also runs afoul with the CLOUD act since due to that American companies can't store data inside the EU and be compliant. https://www.imy.se/en/organisations/data-protection/this-applies-accordning-to-gdpr/transfer-of-data-to-a-third-country/ https://www.imy.se/en/organisations/data-protection/this-app... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
- tedk-42 4y ago
  I'm not asking for tik tok data specifically. I'm saying given a subset of X videos with metadata, show me how you can exfiltrate something of interest to a nation state. Military bases have controls in place that ban things like tik tok + filming on site and even phones manufactured in China aren't allowed on site (they need to be checked in or whatever when you arrive at the entrypoint). Prove this claim and then we can talk about the risk of apps like TikTok. Right now it's a false as saying Wifi signals cause brain cancer coz electromagnetism === bad for humans.
tgv 4y ago
> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk Even if we could access all the data, the proof would come too late, by definition. Of course seeing the proof would be interesting, but that's not the point. Rules are created to protect interests, weighing advantages and disadvantages. That's why allies get more leeway than enemies. I don't know what your position is, but there are various people in this thread calling such a measure "dangerous" and comparing tiktok to facebook. First: there's more than one dangerous thing in the world, and calling outlawing tiktok dangerous probably says more about their addiction than it does about liberties. Second, facebook is also "social media" that collects data, but that's where the similarity ends. You can't expect two entities to be treated identically just because they share some features. I cannot believe people make such arguments seriously and in good faith.
toast0 4y ago
> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever. I think it's right to say such data harvesting posses a security risk. I don't necessarily think the nationality of the corporation collecting it makes a huge difference though. If the concern is state level abuse of the harvested data, sure, it's much easier for any given state to access data when the data is stored by an entity that has strong state influence, but given the patterns of hiring at large scale data collectors, it can't be too hard to get state operatives into positions where they have large scale discrectionary access to data. Also, I'm not really convinced that the FCC is expected to consider national security concerns, or if they have significant regulatory oversight of the app store market either?
- tedk-42 4y ago
  > A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever. Not true. CPU exploits come out all the time with proof of how to exploit / exfiltrate data. This claim of a 'risk' is unproven as it's based on a poor hypothesis of 'country has our data === bad'

worthless-trash 4y ago

You're asking for the impossible as 'anyone' is not tiktok. We as individuals don't have access to that data, only tiktok does.. so we as individuals can't prove this to you. Edit: Removed ask to share all personal data, because its bad form.

epolanski 4y ago
Pretty sure that European users data has to be hosted in Europe and there are serious limits on the info you can get outside. I know that this is one of the reasons why TikTok has highly invested in Ireland.
- fragmede 4y ago
  The other being that Ireland is advantageous to incorporate in for tax purposes?
- Gwypaas 4y ago
  There are some provisions for getting data out but they all rely on guaranteeing the same level of protection as GDPR does. This also runs afoul with the CLOUD act since due to that American companies can't store data inside the EU and be compliant. https://www.imy.se/en/organisations/data-protection/this-applies-accordning-to-gdpr/transfer-of-data-to-a-third-country/ https://www.imy.se/en/organisations/data-protection/this-app... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
tedk-42 4y ago
I'm not asking for tik tok data specifically. I'm saying given a subset of X videos with metadata, show me how you can exfiltrate something of interest to a nation state. Military bases have controls in place that ban things like tik tok + filming on site and even phones manufactured in China aren't allowed on site (they need to be checked in or whatever when you arrive at the entrypoint). Prove this claim and then we can talk about the risk of apps like TikTok. Right now it's a false as saying Wifi signals cause brain cancer coz electromagnetism === bad for humans.

tgv 4y ago

> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk Even if we could access all the data, the proof would come too late, by definition. Of course seeing the proof would be interesting, but that's not the point. Rules are created to protect interests, weighing advantages and disadvantages. That's why allies get more leeway than enemies. I don't know what your position is, but there are various people in this thread calling such a measure "dangerous" and comparing tiktok to facebook. First: there's more than one dangerous thing in the world, and calling outlawing tiktok dangerous probably says more about their addiction than it does about liberties. Second, facebook is also "social media" that collects data, but that's where the similarity ends. You can't expect two entities to be treated identically just because they share some features. I cannot believe people make such arguments seriously and in good faith.

toast0 4y ago

> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever. I think it's right to say such data harvesting posses a security risk. I don't necessarily think the nationality of the corporation collecting it makes a huge difference though. If the concern is state level abuse of the harvested data, sure, it's much easier for any given state to access data when the data is stored by an entity that has strong state influence, but given the patterns of hiring at large scale data collectors, it can't be too hard to get state operatives into positions where they have large scale discrectionary access to data. Also, I'm not really convinced that the FCC is expected to consider national security concerns, or if they have significant regulatory oversight of the app store market either?

tedk-42 4y ago
> A security risk is by nature hypothetical. If the risk comes to fruition, it's no longer a risk, it's an event or an incident or whatever. Not true. CPU exploits come out all the time with proof of how to exploit / exfiltrate data. This claim of a 'risk' is unproven as it's based on a poor hypothesis of 'country has our data === bad'