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I pay for two streams; I'm going to use two streams however I please. If Netflix doesn't like it they can kick me off and I'll go back to pirating their content

I pay for two streams; I'm going to use two streams however I please. If Netflix doesn't like it they can kick me off and I'll go back to pirating their content. Either way I'm not bothered.

spoonjim 4y ago
You don't pay for two streams, you pay for two streams at one address in conformance with their Terms of Service. That of course has nothing to do with whether you pirate their content or not.
- cptaj 4y ago
  This is the worst kind of right you can be. People do pay for two streams and expect to watch them anywhere. That has been the de facto way to use netflix ever since its inception and it also goes for other streaming services. This is the expectation of service. Nobody cares about terms of service.
  - causality0 4y ago
    Even that's being generous. My expectation of service reflects the situation as it existed when I signed up: half the current price with about three times as many shows that I cared about watching.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    >That has been the de facto way to use netflix ever since its inception The pedantic me wants to remind you that the original way to watch Netflix was to have DVDs delivered to your home. That was the original inception. By developing their backend so that streaming on the internet became so ubiquitous, they dug their own grave. All of the studios got to sit back and watch (popcorn included) as Netflix paved the way by doing all of the expensive R&D, find all the gotchas in delivering video to shitty home connections, mobile, etc. Once it was stable and established, all of the studios said thanks, hired people away, and built their own. They then took their ball and went home to their own platforms. Meanwhile, Netflix has pretty much been thrown a haymaker leaving them in standing knockout.
    - alexvoda 4y ago
      Netflix really should have pushed for multidecade licensing deals with the IP holders.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        You say that like you know they didn't. Studios were never going to license their content for that long of a period. NEVER. They all knew what the ultimate plans were, and were not going to shoot thier plans full of holes by locking their content out of their own platforms.
- adrr 4y ago
  It is members of a household not address. Very fuzz especially with people with fluid households.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Can you point me towards where that is in their TOS? I skimmed through and the only spacial restrictions I saw were a) No playing content in public in a way that would be interpreted as a public b) Most (but not necessarily all) of your consumption should be in the same country as your billing address. They seem to implicitly support not just streaming outside of your home, but even outside of your home country: "You may access Netflix content primarily within the country in which you have established your account and only in geographic locations where we offer our service and have licensed such content."
kromem 4y ago
This. Exactly this. What's the difference between 3 kids and a parent watching 4 streams in a single house, and 3 adult kids at college watching on their parent's 4-streams account? It was one thing when the 'household' thing was a requirement by antiquated license agreements. The ONLY reason my family still has Netflix is that it is partially subsidized by our family T-Mobile plan. This is not going to go well for them, and they know it, which is why they are trialing it in non-US territories first. When are large companies going to learn that there's an inflection point at which continuing to chase quarterly growth for shareholder expectations crosses over into a landmine field of short term optimizations at long term consequence?
girvo 4y ago
Netflix's idiocy here recently pushed me to setup my home server with Radarr/Sonarr and Plex. Super easy to use, my non-technical girlfriend has downloaded shows and movies she wanted to watch. We still pay for Disney+ and Binge as they still make it easy to use and have the content we want. I don't mind paying for stuff. I do mind them squeezing us for every drop they can. It's their prerogative as a company, of course, but if they make it harder than pirating their content, then pirating their content is how it will be for a lot of people. Especially considering, at least for our household, Netflix does not provide enough value in terms of content we want to watch to be worth paying extra for.
- Larrikin 4y ago
  What is the advantage of using Radarr over just directly downloading? Sonarr makes sense, since there are on going seasons that can be automatically picked up. Is there really enough anticipation of a single movie to want to set it up ahead of time? Or is there something else that makes it great?
  - InvaderFizz 4y ago
    Mostly for me it's just set to subscribe to RSS feeds to grab all the new releases of 7+ audience rating with a minimum of DVD quality. I don't track new releases, they just show up on my Plex when I have them. It's convenient and I don't have to go looking for them.
  - girvo 4y ago
    To give my non-technical partner a simple web interface to open on her iPad to download a movie (I forget what the interface is, it sits on top of Radarr and Sonarr)
    - Anunayj 4y ago
      Don't sonarr and Radarr have their own web interface? Does there exist a web interface that combines and simplifies it, if so can you share it!
el_benhameen 4y ago
Yeah, I honestly thought The premium plan was kind of intended for sharing, which is why I pay for it. In fact, the only reason I still have Netflix is so that my folks can use it and so that my kids can watch Sing 2 on repeat. If I have to pay more to use the 4-screen plan on 2 screens that happen to not be colocated, then I’ll just buy the movie and mom will have to find the great british baking show elsewhere. Sorry mom.

I pay for two streams; I'm going to use two streams however I please. If Netflix doesn't like it they can kick me off and I'll go back to pirating their content. Either way I'm not bothered.

spoonjim 4y ago

You don't pay for two streams, you pay for two streams at one address in conformance with their Terms of Service. That of course has nothing to do with whether you pirate their content or not.

cptaj 4y ago
This is the worst kind of right you can be. People do pay for two streams and expect to watch them anywhere. That has been the de facto way to use netflix ever since its inception and it also goes for other streaming services. This is the expectation of service. Nobody cares about terms of service.
- causality0 4y ago
  Even that's being generous. My expectation of service reflects the situation as it existed when I signed up: half the current price with about three times as many shows that I cared about watching.
- dylan604 4y ago
  >That has been the de facto way to use netflix ever since its inception The pedantic me wants to remind you that the original way to watch Netflix was to have DVDs delivered to your home. That was the original inception. By developing their backend so that streaming on the internet became so ubiquitous, they dug their own grave. All of the studios got to sit back and watch (popcorn included) as Netflix paved the way by doing all of the expensive R&D, find all the gotchas in delivering video to shitty home connections, mobile, etc. Once it was stable and established, all of the studios said thanks, hired people away, and built their own. They then took their ball and went home to their own platforms. Meanwhile, Netflix has pretty much been thrown a haymaker leaving them in standing knockout.
  - alexvoda 4y ago
    Netflix really should have pushed for multidecade licensing deals with the IP holders.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      You say that like you know they didn't. Studios were never going to license their content for that long of a period. NEVER. They all knew what the ultimate plans were, and were not going to shoot thier plans full of holes by locking their content out of their own platforms.
adrr 4y ago
It is members of a household not address. Very fuzz especially with people with fluid households.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
Can you point me towards where that is in their TOS? I skimmed through and the only spacial restrictions I saw were a) No playing content in public in a way that would be interpreted as a public b) Most (but not necessarily all) of your consumption should be in the same country as your billing address. They seem to implicitly support not just streaming outside of your home, but even outside of your home country: "You may access Netflix content primarily within the country in which you have established your account and only in geographic locations where we offer our service and have licensed such content."

kromem 4y ago

This. Exactly this. What's the difference between 3 kids and a parent watching 4 streams in a single house, and 3 adult kids at college watching on their parent's 4-streams account? It was one thing when the 'household' thing was a requirement by antiquated license agreements. The ONLY reason my family still has Netflix is that it is partially subsidized by our family T-Mobile plan. This is not going to go well for them, and they know it, which is why they are trialing it in non-US territories first. When are large companies going to learn that there's an inflection point at which continuing to chase quarterly growth for shareholder expectations crosses over into a landmine field of short term optimizations at long term consequence?

girvo 4y ago

Netflix's idiocy here recently pushed me to setup my home server with Radarr/Sonarr and Plex. Super easy to use, my non-technical girlfriend has downloaded shows and movies she wanted to watch. We still pay for Disney+ and Binge as they still make it easy to use and have the content we want. I don't mind paying for stuff. I do mind them squeezing us for every drop they can. It's their prerogative as a company, of course, but if they make it harder than pirating their content, then pirating their content is how it will be for a lot of people. Especially considering, at least for our household, Netflix does not provide enough value in terms of content we want to watch to be worth paying extra for.

Larrikin 4y ago
What is the advantage of using Radarr over just directly downloading? Sonarr makes sense, since there are on going seasons that can be automatically picked up. Is there really enough anticipation of a single movie to want to set it up ahead of time? Or is there something else that makes it great?
- InvaderFizz 4y ago
  Mostly for me it's just set to subscribe to RSS feeds to grab all the new releases of 7+ audience rating with a minimum of DVD quality. I don't track new releases, they just show up on my Plex when I have them. It's convenient and I don't have to go looking for them.
- girvo 4y ago
  To give my non-technical partner a simple web interface to open on her iPad to download a movie (I forget what the interface is, it sits on top of Radarr and Sonarr)
  - Anunayj 4y ago
    Don't sonarr and Radarr have their own web interface? Does there exist a web interface that combines and simplifies it, if so can you share it!

el_benhameen 4y ago

Yeah, I honestly thought The premium plan was kind of intended for sharing, which is why I pay for it. In fact, the only reason I still have Netflix is so that my folks can use it and so that my kids can watch Sing 2 on repeat. If I have to pay more to use the 4-screen plan on 2 screens that happen to not be colocated, then I’ll just buy the movie and mom will have to find the great british baking show elsewhere. Sorry mom.