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My point is that those things are a red herring. The people peddling this shit peddle a narrative of increased efficiency, better life, and so on, focusing us o

by tomc1985 4y ago

My point is that those things are a red herring. The people peddling this shit peddle a narrative of increased efficiency, better life, and so on, focusing us on these little incremental improvements, while they pillage other parts of the world to bring you these things. And you very clearly overestimate the need for a microwave. A gas oven, range, or BBQ produces considerably better results for many things for only a 2x or 3x investment of time and effort. I have several friends that have opted not to own a microwave. Hell, large parts of the world don't have a microwave and they're fine. There's a good chance they are even building our microwaves for us. You know, I would rather we focus our efforts on lifting them up so that they can have their own microwaves and other nice things before I stand in line to buy yet another microwave, because it was made so poorly by microwave makers that cheap out on microwave building.

WalterBright 4y ago
Do you believe a microwave involves more pillaging than a gas oven? Let's say a modern oven isn't available. Just a word burning one. Operating one is an all day amount of work (there's little that's romantic about it). They're dangerous, filthy, and the smoke damages your lungs. If people switched to wood ovens the rest of the world's forests would be pillaged (stripped) of all wood. A wood burning stove has a lot of iron in it, that requires an enormous amount of energy to smelt. BTW, you should know that gas appliances are a major source of indoor air pollution. Microwaves aren't. Also, I usually get 10 years out of a microwave. Not bad for an appliance. If you want to save the environment, they sell them in thrift stores for $10-20.
- tomc1985 4y ago
  Considering that said microwave uses a lot more electronics than said oven and lasts 1/3 to 1/5 as long as one (per your own observations), between the energy consumption (because you are almost certainly not getting your energy from renewable sources) and the increasingly large bill of materials (with the microwave requiring many more exotics) averaged out over total lifespan, I would bet that a microwave and a gas oven are quite competitive over the long-term. But the microwave is producing more waste as it isn't built to last as long, and the items you cook in it are probably wrapped in chemical-seeping plastic and printed cardboard. So the volume of waste with use is considerably higher as well. And I'm not even considering electric ovens, which are becoming increasingly mandated.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Electric ovens have a lot more material in them, and use a great deal more energy to heat your food.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Consider also that microwaves are considerably cheaper than gas or electric ovens, which is a strong clue that they are also much less costly and polluting to manufacture.

WalterBright 4y ago

Do you believe a microwave involves more pillaging than a gas oven? Let's say a modern oven isn't available. Just a word burning one. Operating one is an all day amount of work (there's little that's romantic about it). They're dangerous, filthy, and the smoke damages your lungs. If people switched to wood ovens the rest of the world's forests would be pillaged (stripped) of all wood. A wood burning stove has a lot of iron in it, that requires an enormous amount of energy to smelt. BTW, you should know that gas appliances are a major source of indoor air pollution. Microwaves aren't. Also, I usually get 10 years out of a microwave. Not bad for an appliance. If you want to save the environment, they sell them in thrift stores for $10-20.

tomc1985 4y ago
Considering that said microwave uses a lot more electronics than said oven and lasts 1/3 to 1/5 as long as one (per your own observations), between the energy consumption (because you are almost certainly not getting your energy from renewable sources) and the increasingly large bill of materials (with the microwave requiring many more exotics) averaged out over total lifespan, I would bet that a microwave and a gas oven are quite competitive over the long-term. But the microwave is producing more waste as it isn't built to last as long, and the items you cook in it are probably wrapped in chemical-seeping plastic and printed cardboard. So the volume of waste with use is considerably higher as well. And I'm not even considering electric ovens, which are becoming increasingly mandated.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Electric ovens have a lot more material in them, and use a great deal more energy to heat your food.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Consider also that microwaves are considerably cheaper than gas or electric ovens, which is a strong clue that they are also much less costly and polluting to manufacture.