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It only fails in the US because of corruption and NIMBYism. These telecoms buy off the local city council and prevent new development of any lines. Then local r

It only fails in the US because of corruption and NIMBYism. These telecoms buy off the local city council and prevent new development of any lines. Then local residents complain about the hassle of digging trenches, having utility trucks on the block, etc. When you ban this sort of bullshit permitting process it goes extremely well. Sometimes local authority has to be sacrificed for the long term benefit that residents don't see.

lelandfe 4y ago
Yeah, I'm not convinced. New York has been ardent about trying to get internet providers to do their damn job and it just simply doesn't seem to work. The companies make out like bandits and routinely flout deadlines and requirements. - Charter: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/ny-says-charter-lied-about-new-broadband-threatens-to-revoke-its-franchise/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/ny-says-charter-... - Frontier: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/frontier-knowingly-sold-internet-speeds-it-cant-deliver-ftc-lawsuit-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/frontier-knowing... - Verizon: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/nyc-sues-verizon-alleges-failure-to-complete-citywide-fiber-rollout/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/nyc-sues-verizon... It just keeps going. I could provide dozens of links here. I just don't think you can make enough laws to get these companies to do the dirty work of wiring up unprofitable connections, and to stop lying about internet speeds.
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  Oh I don't mean big buildout contracts - those are bound to be failures. It's like the government paying Lockheed to develop the F-35. I mean if you relax zoning regulations and permitting processes significantly, then private enterprise will get external funding and build it out. You can already get 5G home internet in a lot of areas from Verizon or TMo for way cheaper than the wired companies and it's just as fast in both bandwidth and latency. If we had a mmWave node on every block then the buildout problem gets solved pretty quickly. > dirty work of wiring up unprofitable connections It doesn't need to be wired to the home. See: Webpass. The problem is that NIMBYs will block ugly antennas sticking out from every building so you get mired in environmental reviews, neighborhood comments, etc. and nothing gets built.
ATsch 4y ago
If running a dozen competing redundant versions of every utility to all homes is your idea of a productive use of resources I'm not really sure what to tell you.

lelandfe 4y ago

Yeah, I'm not convinced. New York has been ardent about trying to get internet providers to do their damn job and it just simply doesn't seem to work. The companies make out like bandits and routinely flout deadlines and requirements. - Charter: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/ny-says-charter-lied-about-new-broadband-threatens-to-revoke-its-franchise/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/ny-says-charter-... - Frontier: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/frontier-knowingly-sold-internet-speeds-it-cant-deliver-ftc-lawsuit-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/frontier-knowing... - Verizon: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/nyc-sues-verizon-alleges-failure-to-complete-citywide-fiber-rollout/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/nyc-sues-verizon... It just keeps going. I could provide dozens of links here. I just don't think you can make enough laws to get these companies to do the dirty work of wiring up unprofitable connections, and to stop lying about internet speeds.

ceeplusplus 4y ago
Oh I don't mean big buildout contracts - those are bound to be failures. It's like the government paying Lockheed to develop the F-35. I mean if you relax zoning regulations and permitting processes significantly, then private enterprise will get external funding and build it out. You can already get 5G home internet in a lot of areas from Verizon or TMo for way cheaper than the wired companies and it's just as fast in both bandwidth and latency. If we had a mmWave node on every block then the buildout problem gets solved pretty quickly. > dirty work of wiring up unprofitable connections It doesn't need to be wired to the home. See: Webpass. The problem is that NIMBYs will block ugly antennas sticking out from every building so you get mired in environmental reviews, neighborhood comments, etc. and nothing gets built.

ATsch 4y ago

If running a dozen competing redundant versions of every utility to all homes is your idea of a productive use of resources I'm not really sure what to tell you.