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It seems counterintuitive that: 1. Moderate drinkers outlive nondrinkers. Moderate being 1-2 drinks a day, which IMO is a lot. 2. Diets high in carbs seem to

It seems counterintuitive that: 1. Moderate drinkers outlive nondrinkers. Moderate being 1-2 drinks a day, which IMO is a lot. 2. Diets high in carbs seem to be ok. I guess low caloric intake and low stress outweigh any of the negative effects of the above

jandrese 4y ago
3. Don't get fat. Having a diet high in carbs is fine so long as it is reasonably well balanced and you aren't getting fat on it. It just really easy to get fat on carbs.
fleddr 4y ago
1. Indeed a controversial finding as 1-2 drinks a day being favorable was a classic finding which somehow got debunked about a decade ago. I suspect not because it isn't true, but instead because of the wildly different context. Stressed out people in a high productivity country drinking a few glasses of wine per day may soon turn into more. The alcohol acting as some kind of pain relief, rather than something to enjoy in moderation during a two hour lunch. 2. One thing that shouldn't be missed from the study is portion control. To never be full. I can personally attest that I feel at my best when empty. It's not the same as hungry, I'm talking about the state of having your last meal digested. I remember an older study about these centurions concluding that they were almost always "slightly hungry".
ska 4y ago
I suspect (2) only seems counter-intuitive due to relatively recent trends in nutrition marketing, this stuff is often pretty cyclic. Conversely, low(er) caloric intake relative to expenditure being probably good has been scientific consensus for many decades.
mbil 4y ago
The oldest living cat drank "an eyedropper full of red wine" every two days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat)#Lifestyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat)#Lifestyle
tomtheelder 4y ago
1. Is just generally not really true. They are referencing debunked science. My strong suspicion is that these communities probably drink the same or less than average overall. 2. Carbs are unfairly vilified. Unless you are doing something very particular like keto or you are a powerlifter or something then a big majority your diet should be carbs. You need just a bit of fat and a bit of protein. But not all carbs are created equal. They probably aren't slamming back a liter of coke a day.
- bscphil 4y ago
  Re 1: the "average" may not matter all that much. The study's suggested 2 drinks per day is the same as the American average, which according to some web sources I found is 1.94 drinks per day (among adults). [1] The difference may be that the variance is not that high. 16% of Americans binge drink [2], which drags the average up - a significant plurality doesn't drink at all. The truth in this case could be consistency. No binge drinkers, a consistent level of wine purchasing indicating a high level of wealth in the community. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/28/how-many-alcoholic-drinks-too-many-per-week/822604001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/28/ho... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/data-stats.htm https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/data-stats.htm
  - wyclif 4y ago
    FWIW, it's not hard to buy Cannonau: https://www.totalwine.com/wine/red-wine/cannonau/c/000236 https://www.totalwine.com/wine/red-wine/cannonau/c/000236
    - bscphil 4y ago
      Looked this up. A standard serving of wine is 5 fl oz. Two servings a day makes 10 fl oz, and let's say we're talking about a household of two adults for 20 fl oz. At $20 per 750 mL bottle, that's $15.77 a day or about $5757 a year. I think that's well beyond the range of affordability for the median household, even in wealthy countries like the United States.

jandrese 4y ago

3. Don't get fat. Having a diet high in carbs is fine so long as it is reasonably well balanced and you aren't getting fat on it. It just really easy to get fat on carbs.

fleddr 4y ago

1. Indeed a controversial finding as 1-2 drinks a day being favorable was a classic finding which somehow got debunked about a decade ago. I suspect not because it isn't true, but instead because of the wildly different context. Stressed out people in a high productivity country drinking a few glasses of wine per day may soon turn into more. The alcohol acting as some kind of pain relief, rather than something to enjoy in moderation during a two hour lunch. 2. One thing that shouldn't be missed from the study is portion control. To never be full. I can personally attest that I feel at my best when empty. It's not the same as hungry, I'm talking about the state of having your last meal digested. I remember an older study about these centurions concluding that they were almost always "slightly hungry".

ska 4y ago

I suspect (2) only seems counter-intuitive due to relatively recent trends in nutrition marketing, this stuff is often pretty cyclic. Conversely, low(er) caloric intake relative to expenditure being probably good has been scientific consensus for many decades.

mbil 4y ago

The oldest living cat drank "an eyedropper full of red wine" every two days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat)#Lifestyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat)#Lifestyle

tomtheelder 4y ago

1. Is just generally not really true. They are referencing debunked science. My strong suspicion is that these communities probably drink the same or less than average overall. 2. Carbs are unfairly vilified. Unless you are doing something very particular like keto or you are a powerlifter or something then a big majority your diet should be carbs. You need just a bit of fat and a bit of protein. But not all carbs are created equal. They probably aren't slamming back a liter of coke a day.

bscphil 4y ago
Re 1: the "average" may not matter all that much. The study's suggested 2 drinks per day is the same as the American average, which according to some web sources I found is 1.94 drinks per day (among adults). [1] The difference may be that the variance is not that high. 16% of Americans binge drink [2], which drags the average up - a significant plurality doesn't drink at all. The truth in this case could be consistency. No binge drinkers, a consistent level of wine purchasing indicating a high level of wealth in the community. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/28/how-many-alcoholic-drinks-too-many-per-week/822604001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/28/ho... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/data-stats.htm https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/data-stats.htm
- wyclif 4y ago
  FWIW, it's not hard to buy Cannonau: https://www.totalwine.com/wine/red-wine/cannonau/c/000236 https://www.totalwine.com/wine/red-wine/cannonau/c/000236
  - bscphil 4y ago
    Looked this up. A standard serving of wine is 5 fl oz. Two servings a day makes 10 fl oz, and let's say we're talking about a household of two adults for 20 fl oz. At $20 per 750 mL bottle, that's $15.77 a day or about $5757 a year. I think that's well beyond the range of affordability for the median household, even in wealthy countries like the United States.