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> And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It was implicit in your response. The acts I cited were gruesome, and your response implied

> And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It was implicit in your response. The acts I cited were gruesome, and your response implied the response should be to replace them with better-regulated, more antiseptic version of the same act. It's possible the interpret your comment as an extremely aloof statement of fact without implicit policy advocacy, but that interpretation strains credulity.

wizofaus 4y ago
Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. Unless you somehow believe that doing so without providing a safe/regulated alternative will magically result in women no longer having health-threatening pregnancies or reliably deciding to persist with their pregnancies no matter what (despite all the evidence to the contrary from other parts of the world with very limited legal access to abortion), then I can't see how you could not advocate for better-regulated facilities. And just in case there's any doubt as to my position - if a woman pregnant at 30 months were to decide she was no longer able to continue the pregnancy, such that live birth was not an option for whatever reason, and there were a way that the foetus could be safely and readily aborted with no risk of harm to the mother, then absolutely she is the only person who can reasonably make that choice. The rest of us have no right to insist we know better, no matter how much we may dislike the result (and yes, I would absolutely be saddened to know that foetus was robbed of its chance to develop into a human).
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. So your issue isn't so much with snipping the spinal cord at 30 months, but but whether the scissors are dirty or clean?
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    If a technique was developed such that it was safer to abort a pregnancy than to perform delivery at 30 weeks and that technique happened to involve snipping the spinal chord then I would definitely want to see that option be legally available and offered by well regulated clinics, yes. And sure, it sounds somewhat gruesome, but so do many commonly performed surgical procedures.

wizofaus 4y ago

Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. Unless you somehow believe that doing so without providing a safe/regulated alternative will magically result in women no longer having health-threatening pregnancies or reliably deciding to persist with their pregnancies no matter what (despite all the evidence to the contrary from other parts of the world with very limited legal access to abortion), then I can't see how you could not advocate for better-regulated facilities. And just in case there's any doubt as to my position - if a woman pregnant at 30 months were to decide she was no longer able to continue the pregnancy, such that live birth was not an option for whatever reason, and there were a way that the foetus could be safely and readily aborted with no risk of harm to the mother, then absolutely she is the only person who can reasonably make that choice. The rest of us have no right to insist we know better, no matter how much we may dislike the result (and yes, I would absolutely be saddened to know that foetus was robbed of its chance to develop into a human).

tablespoon 4y ago
> Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. So your issue isn't so much with snipping the spinal cord at 30 months, but but whether the scissors are dirty or clean?
- wizofaus 4y ago
  If a technique was developed such that it was safer to abort a pregnancy than to perform delivery at 30 weeks and that technique happened to involve snipping the spinal chord then I would definitely want to see that option be legally available and offered by well regulated clinics, yes. And sure, it sounds somewhat gruesome, but so do many commonly performed surgical procedures.