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> Can you find a single example of an abortion being done at 32 weeks? As far as I know there's virtually no way of doing so (vs premature live delivery) that w

> Can you find a single example of an abortion being done at 32 weeks? As far as I know there's virtually no way of doing so (vs premature live delivery) that wouldn't result in life-threatening harm to the mother. Is abandoning a child under your guardianship really a criminal act in most jurisdictions in the US? Not exactly 32 weeks, but close: https://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-guilty-degree-murder/story?id=19168967 https://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell-gui...: > "Gosnell had a simple solution for the unwanted babies he delivered. ... The way he ensured fetal demise was by sticking scissors into the back of the baby's neck and cutting the spinal cord. He called that 'snipping,'" the report alleged. https://www.foxnews.com/us/doctor-kermit-gosnell-found-guilty-of-murdering-infants-in-late-term-abortions https://www.foxnews.com/us/doctor-kermit-gosnell-found-guilt...: > Prosecution experts said one was nearly 30 weeks along when it was aborted, and it was so big that Gosnell allegedly joked it could "walk to the bus." A second fetus was said to be alive for some 20 minutes before a clinic worker snipped its neck. A third was born in a toilet and was moving before another clinic employee grabbed it and severed its spinal cord, according to testimony. Baby E let out a soft whimper before Gosnell cut its neck, the jury was told; Gosnell was acquitted in that baby's death.

wizofaus 4y ago
Wow. Unfortunately I imagine we'll see a lot more of that sort of thing as more and more women are unable to access safe/legal/well-regulated abortion clinics.
- mbg721 4y ago
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Wow. Unfortunately I imagine we'll see a lot more of that sort of thing as more and more women are unable to access safe/legal/well-regulated abortion clinics. IIRC, all that stuff was done in an actual licensed abortion clinic. Also you have a weird kind of argument that seems to pivot on the false assumption that the issue is how gruesome the act is, not the act itself.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    I read the wikipedia article, it seems there were multiple failings at various levels of government that allowed that clinic to remain open. And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It's the fact he was responsible for the deaths of mothers and infants post- delivery (earning him the title of convicted serial killer) that provoked my reaction. I can only hope that every effort is made to ensure women in states where well-regulated clinics are no longer operating are able to travel as needed to access them.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It was implicit in your response. The acts I cited were gruesome, and your response implied the response should be to replace them with better-regulated, more antiseptic version of the same act. It's possible the interpret your comment as an extremely aloof statement of fact without implicit policy advocacy, but that interpretation strains credulity.
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. Unless you somehow believe that doing so without providing a safe/regulated alternative will magically result in women no longer having health-threatening pregnancies or reliably deciding to persist with their pregnancies no matter what (despite all the evidence to the contrary from other parts of the world with very limited legal access to abortion), then I can't see how you could not advocate for better-regulated facilities. And just in case there's any doubt as to my position - if a woman pregnant at 30 months were to decide she was no longer able to continue the pregnancy, such that live birth was not an option for whatever reason, and there were a way that the foetus could be safely and readily aborted with no risk of harm to the mother, then absolutely she is the only person who can reasonably make that choice. The rest of us have no right to insist we know better, no matter how much we may dislike the result (and yes, I would absolutely be saddened to know that foetus was robbed of its chance to develop into a human).

wizofaus 4y ago

Wow. Unfortunately I imagine we'll see a lot more of that sort of thing as more and more women are unable to access safe/legal/well-regulated abortion clinics.

mbg721 4y ago
tablespoon 4y ago
> Wow. Unfortunately I imagine we'll see a lot more of that sort of thing as more and more women are unable to access safe/legal/well-regulated abortion clinics. IIRC, all that stuff was done in an actual licensed abortion clinic. Also you have a weird kind of argument that seems to pivot on the false assumption that the issue is how gruesome the act is, not the act itself.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  I read the wikipedia article, it seems there were multiple failings at various levels of government that allowed that clinic to remain open. And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It's the fact he was responsible for the deaths of mothers and infants post- delivery (earning him the title of convicted serial killer) that provoked my reaction. I can only hope that every effort is made to ensure women in states where well-regulated clinics are no longer operating are able to travel as needed to access them.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > And where did I comment on the gruesome nature of what was done? It was implicit in your response. The acts I cited were gruesome, and your response implied the response should be to replace them with better-regulated, more antiseptic version of the same act. It's possible the interpret your comment as an extremely aloof statement of fact without implicit policy advocacy, but that interpretation strains credulity.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      Absolutely I believe clinics run in such a way need to be shut down, I can't imagine anybody arguing otherwise. Unless you somehow believe that doing so without providing a safe/regulated alternative will magically result in women no longer having health-threatening pregnancies or reliably deciding to persist with their pregnancies no matter what (despite all the evidence to the contrary from other parts of the world with very limited legal access to abortion), then I can't see how you could not advocate for better-regulated facilities. And just in case there's any doubt as to my position - if a woman pregnant at 30 months were to decide she was no longer able to continue the pregnancy, such that live birth was not an option for whatever reason, and there were a way that the foetus could be safely and readily aborted with no risk of harm to the mother, then absolutely she is the only person who can reasonably make that choice. The rest of us have no right to insist we know better, no matter how much we may dislike the result (and yes, I would absolutely be saddened to know that foetus was robbed of its chance to develop into a human).