3 ms·

Fwiw, I think a lot of people do. Polling has shown that 72% of the country supports per-trimester restrictions with essentially open access in the 1st, increa

Fwiw, I think a lot of people do. Polling has shown that 72% of the country supports per-trimester restrictions with essentially open access in the 1st, increased restrictions in the 2nd and emergency only in the 3rd. I know you’re going to ask for a source, but I don’t remember where I saw it.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Yes, my understanding is also that most people actually hold a pretty moderate view on abortion - it should be legal without restrictions up to some gestational age (typically around 10-15 weeks), it may be legal for a longer time in more cases, it should always be legal when it seriously risks the mother's life etc. I was not claiming I'm making a unique statement or coming up with some novel arguments, I was only arguing against the points of GP.
norwalkbear 4y ago
Without a source, I have to say it sounds like bullshit. Europe mostly only has abortion upto 14 weeks and is a very liberal place.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  Europe may be liberal but the parent was certainly talking about USA. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-on-abortion-in-5-charts/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-o...
  - norwalkbear 4y ago
    Polls look pretty extremely variable. Some polls show half of Americans are against abortion. Some polls show that of the Americans that support abortion, support drops after the first trimester. I'm calling BS on the original op statement that 72% of Americans support abortion.This seems like the shy republican polling problem in 2016 all over again.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      > Polls look pretty extremely variable. Some polls show half of Americans are against abortion. > Some polls show that of the Americans that support abortion, support drops after the first trimester. Those are two separate claims that can easily both be true. A big problem with polls about abortion is that its not actually a well defined term (how many weeks? is mothers life in danger? rape? etc). > This seems like the shy republican polling problem in 2016 all over again. Not quite on topic, but polls did not give hilary a 100% chance to win the 2016 election. Polls are extremely good at predicting events (compared to say a literal coin flip) but lower probability events do occur. Go flip a coin a bunch of times and you'll get 2 heads in a row (25% chance! thats even worse than what 538 gave trump [1]). [1]: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

tsimionescu 4y ago

Yes, my understanding is also that most people actually hold a pretty moderate view on abortion - it should be legal without restrictions up to some gestational age (typically around 10-15 weeks), it may be legal for a longer time in more cases, it should always be legal when it seriously risks the mother's life etc. I was not claiming I'm making a unique statement or coming up with some novel arguments, I was only arguing against the points of GP.

norwalkbear 4y ago

Without a source, I have to say it sounds like bullshit. Europe mostly only has abortion upto 14 weeks and is a very liberal place.

lesuorac 4y ago
Europe may be liberal but the parent was certainly talking about USA. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-on-abortion-in-5-charts/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-o...
- norwalkbear 4y ago
  Polls look pretty extremely variable. Some polls show half of Americans are against abortion. Some polls show that of the Americans that support abortion, support drops after the first trimester. I'm calling BS on the original op statement that 72% of Americans support abortion.This seems like the shy republican polling problem in 2016 all over again.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    > Polls look pretty extremely variable. Some polls show half of Americans are against abortion. > Some polls show that of the Americans that support abortion, support drops after the first trimester. Those are two separate claims that can easily both be true. A big problem with polls about abortion is that its not actually a well defined term (how many weeks? is mothers life in danger? rape? etc). > This seems like the shy republican polling problem in 2016 all over again. Not quite on topic, but polls did not give hilary a 100% chance to win the 2016 election. Polls are extremely good at predicting events (compared to say a literal coin flip) but lower probability events do occur. Go flip a coin a bunch of times and you'll get 2 heads in a row (25% chance! thats even worse than what 538 gave trump [1]). [1]: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/