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> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes It's the oldest and largest national anti-a

> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes It's the oldest and largest national anti-abortion organization in the United States, hardly the fringes. They do a lot of campaign financing.

tsimionescu 4y ago
The Catholic Church is one of the oldest and richest institutions on Earth. Its views on contraception are still way out on the fringes of public opinion.
- spread_love 4y ago
  There are about 70 million Catholics in the US, 20% of the population. Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church? They're a pretty sizable part of "public opinion."
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    > Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church? Yes. Also, I was specifically talking about contraception, not abortion.
    - spread_love 4y ago
      Oh, they aren't very good Catholics then! Those numbers are much higher amongst practicing Catholics, and their self-reported views on abortion are very mainstream, not on the fringes at all.
tablespoon 4y ago
>> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes > It's the oldest and largest national anti-abortion organization in the United States, hardly the fringes. They do a lot of campaign financing. IHMO, whether it was fully understood by the GP or not, "extremist organization, way out on the fringes" was probably in relation to the US Democratic Party, not American politics in general. It's toxic, misleading, and annoying, but I think a lot of rhetoric nowadays is trying to manipulate the "Overton window" to partisan advantage rather than debate the issue itself.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  No, it's true in relation to the politics of ordinary Americans. Look at any polls on abortion, and you'll see that this type of ban is well on the fringes. Even more so if you were to present this explicit situation - I'd bet even some of the most religious people you find would be hard pressed to say that a ten year old girl should be forced to carry that pregnancy to term.
  - spread_love 4y ago
    Well we don't have to just blindly guess, we could also look at some research. > More than a third of abortion opponents (36%) say it should be legal if the pregnancy results from rape, with 27% saying “it depends” and 37% expressing opposition to legal abortion even in this situation https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo... ...and the largest anti-abortion organization in the country agrees with the decision to deny her healthcare. Does that match their constituents' beliefs?
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      I would say that 37% of 37% of the population is quite a fringe position.
      - spread_love 4y ago
        More than a third (not counting "it depends" respondents)?! I guess I define "fringe" as something other than "mainstream" but your definition may vary. Is the agreement by the largest anti-abortion organization in the country to deny her healthcare in line with their constituents' beliefs?

tsimionescu 4y ago

The Catholic Church is one of the oldest and richest institutions on Earth. Its views on contraception are still way out on the fringes of public opinion.

spread_love 4y ago
There are about 70 million Catholics in the US, 20% of the population. Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church? They're a pretty sizable part of "public opinion."
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  > Are a majority of their members' views on abortion out of line with the Catholic Church? Yes. Also, I was specifically talking about contraception, not abortion.
  - spread_love 4y ago
    Oh, they aren't very good Catholics then! Those numbers are much higher amongst practicing Catholics, and their self-reported views on abortion are very mainstream, not on the fringes at all.

tablespoon 4y ago

>> That the NRL is of a different opinion only shows that they are an extremist organization, way out on the fringes > It's the oldest and largest national anti-abortion organization in the United States, hardly the fringes. They do a lot of campaign financing. IHMO, whether it was fully understood by the GP or not, "extremist organization, way out on the fringes" was probably in relation to the US Democratic Party, not American politics in general. It's toxic, misleading, and annoying, but I think a lot of rhetoric nowadays is trying to manipulate the "Overton window" to partisan advantage rather than debate the issue itself.

tsimionescu 4y ago
No, it's true in relation to the politics of ordinary Americans. Look at any polls on abortion, and you'll see that this type of ban is well on the fringes. Even more so if you were to present this explicit situation - I'd bet even some of the most religious people you find would be hard pressed to say that a ten year old girl should be forced to carry that pregnancy to term.
- spread_love 4y ago
  Well we don't have to just blindly guess, we could also look at some research. > More than a third of abortion opponents (36%) say it should be legal if the pregnancy results from rape, with 27% saying “it depends” and 37% expressing opposition to legal abortion even in this situation https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abo... ...and the largest anti-abortion organization in the country agrees with the decision to deny her healthcare. Does that match their constituents' beliefs?
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    I would say that 37% of 37% of the population is quite a fringe position.
    - spread_love 4y ago
      More than a third (not counting "it depends" respondents)?! I guess I define "fringe" as something other than "mainstream" but your definition may vary. Is the agreement by the largest anti-abortion organization in the country to deny her healthcare in line with their constituents' beliefs?