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I am an atheist, and perfectly secular reasoning can be used to argue that the line can be drawn at conception. Like with any sliding scale, picking a specific

I am an atheist, and perfectly secular reasoning can be used to argue that the line can be drawn at conception. Like with any sliding scale, picking a specific spot on the gradient necessarily involves some kind arbitrary decision making. So what happens in this case is people either go fully towards "only a person at birth" or "a person at the moment of conception" at the opposite ends of the scale. Picking either extreme does not require a theological basis.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Specifically we are talking about a philosophical framework here that requires all: Life begins the moment sperm merges with an egg, that life has the inalienable right to develop using someone else's body for 9 months, that life has the inalienable right to be born, and that life has these rights even when being born is impossible (ectopic pregnancies for example), and has these rights even when they are a direct cause for the death of the mother. I am eager to hear of such a framework that isn't either directly theology, which cannot be used as a justification for law in the United States, or just a rebranded version of theology These are the requirements because plenty of the "trigger laws" that went into effect do not have exceptions for safety of the mother or "guaranteed failed" pregnancies, or even exceptions for what amounts to removing a dead fetus.
- bobobob420 4y ago
  There is no philosophy or spectrum required. It is an issue between a man and a woman at an extremely personal level. If the man is not involved then it is for the women to decide. As for when in the pregnancy the baby should be terminated plenty of medical doctors have given their opinion and most states with abortion rights have a reasonable cut off. It is not a complex issue as my original point states. People are brainwashed into thinking it is so they ignore all the pressing issues. Any man that pretends to care about this issue is not a man but a brainless droid. To bring religion or philosophy about when life begins is turning a simple issue with simple cases and edge cases into an issue that cannot be agreed upon. Men who care about abortion have no life and should use their energy to do something useful

mrguyorama 4y ago

Specifically we are talking about a philosophical framework here that requires all: Life begins the moment sperm merges with an egg, that life has the inalienable right to develop using someone else's body for 9 months, that life has the inalienable right to be born, and that life has these rights even when being born is impossible (ectopic pregnancies for example), and has these rights even when they are a direct cause for the death of the mother. I am eager to hear of such a framework that isn't either directly theology, which cannot be used as a justification for law in the United States, or just a rebranded version of theology These are the requirements because plenty of the "trigger laws" that went into effect do not have exceptions for safety of the mother or "guaranteed failed" pregnancies, or even exceptions for what amounts to removing a dead fetus.

bobobob420 4y ago
There is no philosophy or spectrum required. It is an issue between a man and a woman at an extremely personal level. If the man is not involved then it is for the women to decide. As for when in the pregnancy the baby should be terminated plenty of medical doctors have given their opinion and most states with abortion rights have a reasonable cut off. It is not a complex issue as my original point states. People are brainwashed into thinking it is so they ignore all the pressing issues. Any man that pretends to care about this issue is not a man but a brainless droid. To bring religion or philosophy about when life begins is turning a simple issue with simple cases and edge cases into an issue that cannot be agreed upon. Men who care about abortion have no life and should use their energy to do something useful