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> The alternative is setting an arbitrary line in the sand “birth” or “20 weeks”, it doesn’t make much sense. Why not “1yr old” or “12 weeks” they have much of

> The alternative is setting an arbitrary line in the sand “birth” or “20 weeks”, it doesn’t make much sense. Why not “1yr old” or “12 weeks” they have much of the same traits. Yes, because we need lines. Why 18 years or 21 years? Why 55mph instead of 57? Except "birth" is a pretty clear line. There is a big difference between "could survive outside the womb" and "is surviving outside the womb". Unlike the line between 17.5 and 18.5. And if you require that the unborn child is given the full rights of personhood in society, does "full rights" include full rights? Access to child support payments? Do they have a legal name? Can you register them with the Social Security? If you wish to be Christian about it, can you baptize an unborn child? Can you offer them communion? On what moral grounds do you deny them the basic sacraments of the religion?

lettergram 4y ago
> Except "birth" is a pretty clear line. There is a big difference between "could survive outside the womb" and "is surviving outside the womb". Okay, so a woman at 20 weeks wants an abortion. Do you wait 2 weeks so the baby can survive or is it prudent to abort right now? Is it worth a whole lifetime of experience to limit a woman’s bodily autonomy for 2 weeks? I think a lot of people feel emotion during these discussions. I dont, I seriously don’t understand the logic. My bodily autonomy is limited all the time. I have to get vaccines to go to school. I can’t drink and drive, etc. The same logic applies both ways.
josephcsible 4y ago
> If you wish to be Christian about it, can you baptize an unborn child? No, because baptism requires pouring water directly on the child, which you can't do through the amniotic sac. > Can you offer them communion? No, because communion is received by eating and/or drinking it, which the unborn physically can't do. > On what moral grounds do you deny them the basic sacraments of the religion? The sacraments aren't being denied on moral grounds. It's physically impossible to administer them.

lettergram 4y ago

> Except "birth" is a pretty clear line. There is a big difference between "could survive outside the womb" and "is surviving outside the womb". Okay, so a woman at 20 weeks wants an abortion. Do you wait 2 weeks so the baby can survive or is it prudent to abort right now? Is it worth a whole lifetime of experience to limit a woman’s bodily autonomy for 2 weeks? I think a lot of people feel emotion during these discussions. I dont, I seriously don’t understand the logic. My bodily autonomy is limited all the time. I have to get vaccines to go to school. I can’t drink and drive, etc. The same logic applies both ways.

josephcsible 4y ago

> If you wish to be Christian about it, can you baptize an unborn child? No, because baptism requires pouring water directly on the child, which you can't do through the amniotic sac. > Can you offer them communion? No, because communion is received by eating and/or drinking it, which the unborn physically can't do. > On what moral grounds do you deny them the basic sacraments of the religion? The sacraments aren't being denied on moral grounds. It's physically impossible to administer them.