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It was meant as extra context. While I don’t like the Supreme Court’s ruling, I hardly think the US is taking a “theocratic approach.” Even now most of the US p

by ch4s3 4y ago

It was meant as extra context. While I don’t like the Supreme Court’s ruling, I hardly think the US is taking a “theocratic approach.” Even now most of the US population will live under a set of laws that are more permissive than those in Europe. Imagine if Poland, Malta, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands all had to have centralized set of laws across wide array of contentious issues. It would be a mess.

ohgodplsno 4y ago
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  > with a terrible political system made 300 years ago by slavers ... a political system that was widely considered revolutionary and incredibly enlightened at the time, including (or especially) by Europeans, who lived under much less democratic forms of government. I'm on your side on the abortion issue, but bashing the American Revolution and blaming the founders isn't going to help your cause, and it's just bad history.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  There are in fact quite large historical and cultural differences between different parts of the US. You could write whole books about the differences. The government as it stands only became so centralized and powerful between WWI and the Great Depression. Prior to WWI some 5% of Americans were primarily German speakers. Large populations today primarily speak Spanish. There are large divides in culture, economic activity, religion, and on and on. The founders weren’t all “slavers”, and in fact a number were abolitionists. They very idea that people didn’t need a monarchy or landed nobility was literally revolutionary at the time. The whole global abolition movement grew out of the Scottish enlightenment which heavily informed America’s founding. I would also point out that most democracies have constitutional courts. Frankly this whole situation could have been avoided if either congress had literally ever acted, or if progressive jurists weren’t so afraid of Lochner and substantive due process around individual rights. Bending over backwards to find a right to privacy in the “penumbras” of various rights was a complete failure.

by ch4s3 4y ago

ohgodplsno 4y ago

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
> with a terrible political system made 300 years ago by slavers ... a political system that was widely considered revolutionary and incredibly enlightened at the time, including (or especially) by Europeans, who lived under much less democratic forms of government. I'm on your side on the abortion issue, but bashing the American Revolution and blaming the founders isn't going to help your cause, and it's just bad history.
ch4s3 4y ago
There are in fact quite large historical and cultural differences between different parts of the US. You could write whole books about the differences. The government as it stands only became so centralized and powerful between WWI and the Great Depression. Prior to WWI some 5% of Americans were primarily German speakers. Large populations today primarily speak Spanish. There are large divides in culture, economic activity, religion, and on and on. The founders weren’t all “slavers”, and in fact a number were abolitionists. They very idea that people didn’t need a monarchy or landed nobility was literally revolutionary at the time. The whole global abolition movement grew out of the Scottish enlightenment which heavily informed America’s founding. I would also point out that most democracies have constitutional courts. Frankly this whole situation could have been avoided if either congress had literally ever acted, or if progressive jurists weren’t so afraid of Lochner and substantive due process around individual rights. Bending over backwards to find a right to privacy in the “penumbras” of various rights was a complete failure.