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More over, much of Europe had more restrictions only a few years ago.

• ohgodplsno 4y ago
  • ch4s3 4y ago
    It was meant as extra context. While I don’t like the Supreme Court’s ruling, I hardly think the US is taking a “theocratic approach.” Even now most of the US population will live under a set of laws that are more permissive than those in Europe. Imagine if Poland, Malta, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands all had to have centralized set of laws across wide array of contentious issues. It would be a mess.
    • ohgodplsno 4y ago
      • DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
        > with a terrible political system made 300 years ago by slavers ... a political system that was widely considered revolutionary and incredibly enlightened at the time, including (or especially) by Europeans, who lived under much less democratic forms of government. I'm on your side on the abortion issue, but bashing the American Revolution and blaming the founders isn't going to help your cause, and it's just bad history.
      • ch4s3 4y ago
        There are in fact quite large historical and cultural differences between different parts of the US. You could write whole books about the differences. The government as it stands only became so centralized and powerful between WWI and the Great Depression. Prior to WWI some 5% of Americans were primarily German speakers. Large populations today primarily speak Spanish. There are large divides in culture, economic activity, religion, and on and on. The founders weren’t all “slavers”, and in fact a number were abolitionists. They very idea that people didn’t need a monarchy or landed nobility was literally revolutionary at the time. The whole global abolition movement grew out of the Scottish enlightenment which heavily informed America’s founding. I would also point out that most democracies have constitutional courts. Frankly this whole situation could have been avoided if either congress had literally ever acted, or if progressive jurists weren’t so afraid of Lochner and substantive due process around individual rights. Bending over backwards to find a right to privacy in the “penumbras” of various rights was a complete failure.
  • nathanaldensr 4y ago
    Your hyperbole is, of course, incorrect. The "US" has actually explicitly not taken an approach--that was the entire purpose of the Supreme Court's ruling. In fact, fifty states now individually take approaches, which currently represent quite a wide spectrum of beliefs. Some approaches are rooted in religious beliefs (aside: the United States' legal system is actually itself rooted in Christian beliefs and morals) and some are secular.
    • ch4s3 4y ago
      > aside: the United States' legal system is actually itself rooted in Christian beliefs and morals This seems fairly debatable to me. The filtering of English common law through an enlightenment lens seems like a better description, IMHO.
• dragonwriter 4y ago
  And the US has far less restrictions a couple months ago. But what does either matter to people living in the present?
  • ch4s3 4y ago
    Not every statement needs to be written to serve some noble goal. I was offering the previous poster some interesting extra context.