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When I read the parent comment, I imagined a panel saying: "Oh dear, Poor John there was born without a left leg. Alright, everyone else line up in front of th

When I read the parent comment, I imagined a panel saying: "Oh dear, Poor John there was born without a left leg. Alright, everyone else line up in front of the man with a meat cleaver"

YarickR2 4y ago
Kurt Vonnegut, The Sirens of Titan, for slightly less injuring idea of handicapping everyone
munk-a 4y ago
It's not surprising, that's a pretty common caricature used to paint disability acts. The base root of what you're remembering is probably a short story by Kurt Vonnegut - "Harrison Bergeron"[1] which talks about an extremist approach to something beyond equality - sameness, everyone is forced to be the same. Equality and sameness are not the same, people can be treated equally and yet still allowed to retain their independence and diversity. 1. https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
- ehvatum 4y ago
  > Equality and sameness are not the same That’s a grossly capitalist exploitative viewpoint which overlooks hidden power structures to excuse any degree of inequality. Any difference whatsoever between anybody can be traced back to hidden power structures, and to deny this is fascism and morally equivalent to the January 6 toppling of our democracy and also slavery, which founded our nation in 1619. It’s time for a discussion of alternatives to the engine of inequality called capitalism. You see, when I buy something from you, we are both exploited in ways we know not, because they are hidden. The more you know…
spicymaki 4y ago
No, you are presenting a non-sequitur, I am bringing up the fact that the government imposes requirements for businesses and government to make accommodations for the disabled. This is in fact to provide equity via governmental means. This occurs at a cost to the organization providing the service. You are arguing about an extreme where everyone is flattened (via cleaving or dystopian sci-fi), which does not happen under the ADA. I actually never indicated support for that position (or any position in fact) you are essentially straw manning. My point is that the government in fact does this via legislation (the ADA), are you willing to argue against it to remain consistent?
- hobo_in_library 4y ago
  I was attempting to show that we both read the same comment by JasonFruit and interpreted the phrase "not attempt to make them equal by government-enforced handicapping" very differently. The base claim was that after reading JasonFruit's comment with the interpretation I had, your own comment seemed like a tangent. Now, which of us interpreted his comment correctly? I have no idea. Neither was I attempting to pass comment on the badness/goodness of ADA. Anyways, have a good day sir!

When I read the parent comment, I imagined a panel saying: "Oh dear, Poor John there was born without a left leg. Alright, everyone else line up in front of the man with a meat cleaver"

YarickR2 4y ago

Kurt Vonnegut, The Sirens of Titan, for slightly less injuring idea of handicapping everyone

munk-a 4y ago

It's not surprising, that's a pretty common caricature used to paint disability acts. The base root of what you're remembering is probably a short story by Kurt Vonnegut - "Harrison Bergeron"[1] which talks about an extremist approach to something beyond equality - sameness, everyone is forced to be the same. Equality and sameness are not the same, people can be treated equally and yet still allowed to retain their independence and diversity. 1. https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

ehvatum 4y ago
> Equality and sameness are not the same That’s a grossly capitalist exploitative viewpoint which overlooks hidden power structures to excuse any degree of inequality. Any difference whatsoever between anybody can be traced back to hidden power structures, and to deny this is fascism and morally equivalent to the January 6 toppling of our democracy and also slavery, which founded our nation in 1619. It’s time for a discussion of alternatives to the engine of inequality called capitalism. You see, when I buy something from you, we are both exploited in ways we know not, because they are hidden. The more you know…

spicymaki 4y ago

No, you are presenting a non-sequitur, I am bringing up the fact that the government imposes requirements for businesses and government to make accommodations for the disabled. This is in fact to provide equity via governmental means. This occurs at a cost to the organization providing the service. You are arguing about an extreme where everyone is flattened (via cleaving or dystopian sci-fi), which does not happen under the ADA. I actually never indicated support for that position (or any position in fact) you are essentially straw manning. My point is that the government in fact does this via legislation (the ADA), are you willing to argue against it to remain consistent?

hobo_in_library 4y ago
I was attempting to show that we both read the same comment by JasonFruit and interpreted the phrase "not attempt to make them equal by government-enforced handicapping" very differently. The base claim was that after reading JasonFruit's comment with the interpretation I had, your own comment seemed like a tangent. Now, which of us interpreted his comment correctly? I have no idea. Neither was I attempting to pass comment on the badness/goodness of ADA. Anyways, have a good day sir!