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Believe in creationism not the 10k years bit Title has been editorialized edit: It's a very simple hacker news rule people. Submit the original <title> or art

Believe in creationism not the 10k years bit Title has been editorialized edit: It's a very simple hacker news rule people. Submit the original <title> or article headline. The 10k bit is NOT present there. Regardless of the question.

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elgenie 4y ago
The 10K years bit is in the question Gallup asks. However, it's posed about humans in their current form, not the Earth. Note: as I'm commenting, the post title reads "40% of Americans believe the Earth was created within the last 10k years".
chrisseaton 4y ago
> not the 10k years bit What do you mean? The question they asked included ‘within 10,000 years’.
jordanmorgan10 4y ago
Same, when I’ve had conversations with friends and family I’ve boiled my stance down to “I believe God created us, but I don’t know when or how long ago it was.”
- laichzeit0 4y ago
  Completely unnecessary assumption to hold. It creates more problems than it explains. Try this thought experiment: Assume there is no God. Everything makes a lot more sense, and you have a simpler theory.
  - spoils19 4y ago
    Many people, including HNers, find it challenging to find purpose in life without a belief in a higher power. What's stopping us from just going on murder rampages or acting good towards each other if we have there is no promise of a holy afterlife?
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      > What's stopping us Simple good sense and possibly a bit of intellectual progress.
  - coding123 4y ago
    I've personally tried it, and there are things that end up unconvincing. Mostly surrounding cellular life bridging to complex lifeforms. Now I know there are "explanations" for all of it, but it's not convincing and not very well backed up. I believe in parts of evolution and creationism.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > “I believe God created us, but I don’t know when or how long ago it was.” But that’s a separate option in the poll - they could have picked that if that’s what they believe.
  - cortesoft 4y ago
    It isn’t, though. There is no “god created us in our current form more than 10000 years ago” option on the poll. It was either ‘humans evolved and god exists’, ‘humans evolved and god doesn’t exist’, or ‘humans didn’t evolve and were created by god within the last 10000 years’ No option for creationists who believe humans were created more than 10000 years ago.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > No option for creationists who believe humans were created more than 10000 years ago. Why doesn’t ‘God guided but happened over millions of years’ cover that?
      - elgenie 4y ago
        A God entity snapping its fingers 10,001 years ago fits neither "guided" nor "over millions of years" nor "less than 10,000 years ago".
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        chrisseaton 4y ago
        But 10,000 is closest, so why wouldn't they pick that option?
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        Because "guided" isn't obviously compatible with the "act of special creation" for humans that is an inherent part of many religions. Definitely agree that the survey results are likely to be skewed because of the lack of an option that suits those who believe in special creation but not the "10 thousand year" timeline. Especially if they think 100s of millions of years is wrong (anatomically modern humans haven't been around anything like that long!).
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cortesoft 4y ago
Well, the question doesn’t give an option to pick “created by God exactly as we are today more than 10000 years ago”. Creationists are forced to pick the ‘less than 10000 years ago’ option.
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elgenie 4y ago

The 10K years bit is in the question Gallup asks. However, it's posed about humans in their current form, not the Earth. Note: as I'm commenting, the post title reads "40% of Americans believe the Earth was created within the last 10k years".

chrisseaton 4y ago

> not the 10k years bit What do you mean? The question they asked included ‘within 10,000 years’.

jordanmorgan10 4y ago

Same, when I’ve had conversations with friends and family I’ve boiled my stance down to “I believe God created us, but I don’t know when or how long ago it was.”

laichzeit0 4y ago
Completely unnecessary assumption to hold. It creates more problems than it explains. Try this thought experiment: Assume there is no God. Everything makes a lot more sense, and you have a simpler theory.
- spoils19 4y ago
  Many people, including HNers, find it challenging to find purpose in life without a belief in a higher power. What's stopping us from just going on murder rampages or acting good towards each other if we have there is no promise of a holy afterlife?
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > What's stopping us Simple good sense and possibly a bit of intellectual progress.
- coding123 4y ago
  I've personally tried it, and there are things that end up unconvincing. Mostly surrounding cellular life bridging to complex lifeforms. Now I know there are "explanations" for all of it, but it's not convincing and not very well backed up. I believe in parts of evolution and creationism.
chrisseaton 4y ago
> “I believe God created us, but I don’t know when or how long ago it was.” But that’s a separate option in the poll - they could have picked that if that’s what they believe.
- cortesoft 4y ago
  It isn’t, though. There is no “god created us in our current form more than 10000 years ago” option on the poll. It was either ‘humans evolved and god exists’, ‘humans evolved and god doesn’t exist’, or ‘humans didn’t evolve and were created by god within the last 10000 years’ No option for creationists who believe humans were created more than 10000 years ago.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > No option for creationists who believe humans were created more than 10000 years ago. Why doesn’t ‘God guided but happened over millions of years’ cover that?
    - elgenie 4y ago
      A God entity snapping its fingers 10,001 years ago fits neither "guided" nor "over millions of years" nor "less than 10,000 years ago".
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      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        But 10,000 is closest, so why wouldn't they pick that option?
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      Because "guided" isn't obviously compatible with the "act of special creation" for humans that is an inherent part of many religions. Definitely agree that the survey results are likely to be skewed because of the lack of an option that suits those who believe in special creation but not the "10 thousand year" timeline. Especially if they think 100s of millions of years is wrong (anatomically modern humans haven't been around anything like that long!).

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cortesoft 4y ago

Well, the question doesn’t give an option to pick “created by God exactly as we are today more than 10000 years ago”. Creationists are forced to pick the ‘less than 10000 years ago’ option.

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