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One interesting question - how do you weight emulated minds / AGI in a democracy? If a given quantity of compute can run ten “human-level” or one “10x human-lev

One interesting question - how do you weight emulated minds / AGI in a democracy? If a given quantity of compute can run ten “human-level” or one “10x human-level”, how do we allocate votes? (I’m declining to specify “10x of what” here, it could be speed of thought, or IQ at human-speed cognition, or something else). What if a “10x-human” mind can do some thinking, come up with decisions, and then temporarily fork itself into 10 “human-level” instances, vote 10 times, and then join back to its more powerful self? Put differently, in a world where minds can vary in power/size/scope by orders of magnitude, does “one mind = one vote” make any sense? We might be forced to look towards “economic weight votes” and systems like quadratic voting.

colinmhayes 4y ago
It’s hard to imagine democracy continuing in an uploaded minds/super intelligence scenario. Either we get an ai decision maker scenario or everyone lives in their own matrix/joins someone else’s and whoever created it makes the rules. It’s conceivable that you join a matrix whose creator has set it up as a democracy I suppose.
jobigoud 4y ago
Reminds me of the science fiction podcast Biotopia (Spanish). At some point there is a debate in the community on whether to allow a woman to marry a robot. There is a vote and it's very tight. But then one of the scientist of the community inadvertently duplicate himself 30 times or so and all the clones come vote at the last minute and tip the balance to allow the marriage to proceed.
fluoridation 4y ago
>What if a “10x-human” mind can do some thinking, come up with decisions, and then temporarily fork itself into 10 “human-level” instances, vote 10 times, and then join back to its more powerful self? I suppose there are multiple ways to handle this situation. Hypothetically, we could say that the fundamental property of citizenship is the ability to vote. If you create 10 copies of yourself who think like you and can vote, them those copies are citizens and the act of joining them would be murder. This could apply even if those copies want to rejoin, because they might have that desire because it was a decision you made prior to forking yourself. Or, we could say that a single vote is the consequence of having a unique perspective, shaped by being raised and living in a particular environment for many years. In other words, the right to vote exists because of the process that created a mind, and not because of the pure existence of that mind. As such, it cannot be cheaply copied, because that process is fundamentally different from the process of growing up. So, if you fork yourself, your copies are now different people who have just now come into being, and thus will acquire voting rights in 18 years (or however long).
WorldMaker 4y ago
The last time voting involved fractions wasn't so great for civil liberties. As soon as you are assigning someone 3/5ths the vote of someone else, maybe you are doing something wrong?
- gs17 4y ago
  The people represented as "3/5ths of someone else" got no vote at all.

colinmhayes 4y ago

It’s hard to imagine democracy continuing in an uploaded minds/super intelligence scenario. Either we get an ai decision maker scenario or everyone lives in their own matrix/joins someone else’s and whoever created it makes the rules. It’s conceivable that you join a matrix whose creator has set it up as a democracy I suppose.

jobigoud 4y ago

Reminds me of the science fiction podcast Biotopia (Spanish). At some point there is a debate in the community on whether to allow a woman to marry a robot. There is a vote and it's very tight. But then one of the scientist of the community inadvertently duplicate himself 30 times or so and all the clones come vote at the last minute and tip the balance to allow the marriage to proceed.

fluoridation 4y ago

>What if a “10x-human” mind can do some thinking, come up with decisions, and then temporarily fork itself into 10 “human-level” instances, vote 10 times, and then join back to its more powerful self? I suppose there are multiple ways to handle this situation. Hypothetically, we could say that the fundamental property of citizenship is the ability to vote. If you create 10 copies of yourself who think like you and can vote, them those copies are citizens and the act of joining them would be murder. This could apply even if those copies want to rejoin, because they might have that desire because it was a decision you made prior to forking yourself. Or, we could say that a single vote is the consequence of having a unique perspective, shaped by being raised and living in a particular environment for many years. In other words, the right to vote exists because of the process that created a mind, and not because of the pure existence of that mind. As such, it cannot be cheaply copied, because that process is fundamentally different from the process of growing up. So, if you fork yourself, your copies are now different people who have just now come into being, and thus will acquire voting rights in 18 years (or however long).

WorldMaker 4y ago

The last time voting involved fractions wasn't so great for civil liberties. As soon as you are assigning someone 3/5ths the vote of someone else, maybe you are doing something wrong?

gs17 4y ago
The people represented as "3/5ths of someone else" got no vote at all.