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Yeah, the way my case is laid out, airflow to the VRM is blocked by the heat spreaders on the RAM and the ATX power connector. AMD systems in particular seem t

Yeah, the way my case is laid out, airflow to the VRM is blocked by the heat spreaders on the RAM and the ATX power connector. AMD systems in particular seem to require better memory thermals. It seems like we're reaching a point where a new ATX standard is required to ensure the memory and GPU can make contact with a large heatsink similar to how the trashcan Mac Pro and XBox Series X are designed. Doing so would also cut down on the ridiculous number of fans an overclocked gaming PC needs these days, my GPU and CPU heatsinks have 5 80mm fans mounted to them. ATX is great but it seems like only minor improvements to power connectors and whatnot have been made since it was introduced in 1995.

Macha 4y ago
Are the trashcan Mac Pro and Xbox Series X considered effecient cooling solutions? I thought the trashcan Pro had issues at higher temperatures which in turn limited their ability to use higher end parts and in turn forced the return of the cheese grater? The series X GPU then is considered equivalent to a desktop 3070, and laptop 3080s exist and are also considered equivalent to a desktop 3070, so don't require anything particularly novel in terms of cooling solutions (3080 laptops are loud under load, but so is the series X). Overclocked components are so heavy in cooling needs as they're being run so far outside their most efficient window to get the maximum performance - which is why datacenters which care more about energy usage than gamers tend to use lower clocked parts.
- CoolGuySteve 4y ago
  Both systems are a fraction of the size of an ATX case and as efficient as they needed to be to meet their predetermined convective cooling needs. In both cases, profit margin is increased by reducing material and shipping volume requirements. A similar single heatsink design for high end PCs would need to be much larger than either of those designs but considering how much empty space is in an ATX case, I don't think it would be much larger than current PCs. Consider that the best PC cooling solutions all look like this: https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2018/01/18/cpucooler-1280-1496174542219-1516305067126.jpg https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2018/01/18/cpucooler-1280-149617... Or pass liquid through a radiator with comparable volume, standardizing the contact points for a single block heatsink with larger fans would make computers more efficient and quiet.

Macha 4y ago

Are the trashcan Mac Pro and Xbox Series X considered effecient cooling solutions? I thought the trashcan Pro had issues at higher temperatures which in turn limited their ability to use higher end parts and in turn forced the return of the cheese grater? The series X GPU then is considered equivalent to a desktop 3070, and laptop 3080s exist and are also considered equivalent to a desktop 3070, so don't require anything particularly novel in terms of cooling solutions (3080 laptops are loud under load, but so is the series X). Overclocked components are so heavy in cooling needs as they're being run so far outside their most efficient window to get the maximum performance - which is why datacenters which care more about energy usage than gamers tend to use lower clocked parts.

CoolGuySteve 4y ago
Both systems are a fraction of the size of an ATX case and as efficient as they needed to be to meet their predetermined convective cooling needs. In both cases, profit margin is increased by reducing material and shipping volume requirements. A similar single heatsink design for high end PCs would need to be much larger than either of those designs but considering how much empty space is in an ATX case, I don't think it would be much larger than current PCs. Consider that the best PC cooling solutions all look like this: https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2018/01/18/cpucooler-1280-1496174542219-1516305067126.jpg https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2018/01/18/cpucooler-1280-149617... Or pass liquid through a radiator with comparable volume, standardizing the contact points for a single block heatsink with larger fans would make computers more efficient and quiet.