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I think the performance wise Intel 12th gen and Ryzen 6000 are already a little ahead. Power draw will be helped by moving to TSMCs latest node but general purp
by blinkingled 4y ago
I think the performance wise Intel 12th gen and Ryzen 6000 are already a little ahead. Power draw will be helped by moving to TSMCs latest node but general purpose x86 will always have some power disadvantage compared to specialized ARM hardware and software that Apple makes.
- sidkshatriya 4y agoYes, x86 will always have some power disadvantage because ARM's heritage is low power embedded devices (and RISC). x86 has other advantages like a very mature and optimized software stack with good compilers. Apple also has the advantage of cramming every thing on a single piece of silicon while AMD has gone in for the chiplet approach. The single piece of silicon reduces yields but increases performance with a lower power draw. The chiplet approach followed by AMD is more modular, less risky and cost effective. So if both AMD and Apple use the same TSMC node _and_ AMD went in for "cost is not an objective" and cram everything on a single piece of silicon _and_ add HBM (aka unified memory) it would be real interesting for the two to go "head to head". I would definitely be interested in paying good dollar for such X86 client system ! I hope someone at AMD is listening !
- blinkingled 4y agoIt's all about tradeoffs isn't it. Can't have diverse, extensible, open ecosystem like x86 and get every ounce of performance and power efficiency - something's gotta give. But the good news is you can get pretty close with great Engineering and competition keeps that up. Maybe one of the many x86 vendors will build such a system - Lenovo and Microsoft are working with AMD on their new custom designed Thinkpad Z series lineup and I hear good things about it.