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After Perelman’s fiasco, many universities have started offering professorships without putting people on tenure-track. For example, manjul bhargava and June hu

After Perelman’s fiasco, many universities have started offering professorships without putting people on tenure-track. For example, manjul bhargava and June huh are two examples. Also add Yitang Zhang, an adjunct lecturer became a tenured professor. Somehow, the American math tribe couldn’t offer a tenured position right away after his postdoc—-in fact, that’s what Grigori pereleman wanted.

noisy_boy 4y ago
> After Perelman’s fiasco I couldn't find anything on this - any links?
- texaslonghorn5 4y ago
  https://mobile.twitter.com/luismbat/status/1361127948401614848 https://mobile.twitter.com/luismbat/status/13611279484016148... Grabbed a relevant reference from Wikipedia: https://archive.ph/tL5oD https://archive.ph/tL5oD Perelman solved the Soul Conjecture. Then he wanted a tenured/research-only position, but Princeton only offered a tenure track job, so he declined. And then he took a (research-only) job elsewhere (in Russia), which gave him requisite time/space to prove the Poincare conjecture. So Princeton would have benefited from giving him tenure when he asked for it.
  - mianos 4y ago
    I wonder if those people taught Google the idea of insisting famous candidates solve their pet leetcoder challenge before they can go another round of interviews? Perelman, when asked for his CV, "You have heard my lecture why would you need anymore information?" Then proceeds to leave.
    - mhh__ 4y ago
      Google needs a million perelkids not one perelman
  - chaoz_ 4y ago
    Thanks for the link. I still do not understand why people call it "Fiasco" though. Princeton at least tried, pretty sure many other universities knew about the soul conjecture, but did not make any effort.
    - noisy_boy 4y ago
      I think it meant "fiasco" for Princeton specifically and not in general - they had him ready to accept a immediately full-tenure position which they didn't offer and later he went on to solve the Poincaré Conjecture. Sure, one can say that they couldn't have known the future but considering the Soul Conjecture is described as an extraordinarily difficult problem that he solved in a short 4-page paper, they could have tried harder. Anyway, granted, hindsight is 20/20.

noisy_boy 4y ago

> After Perelman’s fiasco I couldn't find anything on this - any links?

texaslonghorn5 4y ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/luismbat/status/1361127948401614848 https://mobile.twitter.com/luismbat/status/13611279484016148... Grabbed a relevant reference from Wikipedia: https://archive.ph/tL5oD https://archive.ph/tL5oD Perelman solved the Soul Conjecture. Then he wanted a tenured/research-only position, but Princeton only offered a tenure track job, so he declined. And then he took a (research-only) job elsewhere (in Russia), which gave him requisite time/space to prove the Poincare conjecture. So Princeton would have benefited from giving him tenure when he asked for it.
- mianos 4y ago
  I wonder if those people taught Google the idea of insisting famous candidates solve their pet leetcoder challenge before they can go another round of interviews? Perelman, when asked for his CV, "You have heard my lecture why would you need anymore information?" Then proceeds to leave.
  - mhh__ 4y ago
    Google needs a million perelkids not one perelman
- chaoz_ 4y ago
  Thanks for the link. I still do not understand why people call it "Fiasco" though. Princeton at least tried, pretty sure many other universities knew about the soul conjecture, but did not make any effort.
  - noisy_boy 4y ago
    I think it meant "fiasco" for Princeton specifically and not in general - they had him ready to accept a immediately full-tenure position which they didn't offer and later he went on to solve the Poincaré Conjecture. Sure, one can say that they couldn't have known the future but considering the Soul Conjecture is described as an extraordinarily difficult problem that he solved in a short 4-page paper, they could have tried harder. Anyway, granted, hindsight is 20/20.