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I’m a left leaning libertarian in a deep red state with many many friends and neighbors who are conservative, none of them are talking about keeping their guns

I’m a left leaning libertarian in a deep red state with many many friends and neighbors who are conservative, none of them are talking about keeping their guns clean “to kill democrats”. They do keep their guns clean because they want a reliable weapon that is safe to operate. It’s pointless otherwise. Also, Of all the people I know, one person fell into the QAnon conspiracy hole, but promptly climbed out. I just don’t buy all of this baloney that Republicans are huge extremists now. It doesn’t track with my experience and reality at all.

michaelmrose 4y ago
I don't decide the average disposition of hundreds of millions of people by polling my social circle because I don't associate with a representative sample of the population by design I prefer to deal with more reasonable people. A VERY substantial minority on the order of 1/4 of those who self identify as Republicans believe in the core tenets of the qanon conspiracy and most think the election was stolen. These are facts that you cannot reasonable refute by telling me you a reasonable fellow associate with other reasonable people.
- kcplate 4y ago
  You claim facts. Back them up. I see a lot of these kind of comments claiming facts, but rarely see any surveys, studies, or statistics to back them up. You may believe that a core tenant of qanon is someone believing leftist politicians are “evil”, and you might get 25% of republicans agree with that. Does that mean all of that 25% who believe leftists are evil also believe that leftist politicians are reptilian shapeshifting pedophiles that eat baby brains on sundays in a pizza restaurant basement? Doubtful.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    I provided the sources in previously in the thread here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32129721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32129721 To address more directly the point you referenced directly. The study is discussed here https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... But if you want to skip the analysis and go to the meat of it, it's here. https://www.prri.org/research/the-persistence-of-qanon-in-the-post-trump-era-an-analysis-of-who-believes-the-conspiracies/ https://www.prri.org/research/the-persistence-of-qanon-in-th... 16% of Republicans completely or mostly agree the government media and financial worlds are controlled by a global network of Satan worshiping pedos who run a global sex trafficking operation 22% completely or mostly agree that a storm is coming that will sweep away the elites in power and restore the rightful leaders. 18% completely or mostly agree that things are so far off track that American patriots may need to use violence to save our country. From the second source > To assess overall belief in QAnon, PRRI created a composite measure from these three questions and identified the following three groups: QAnon believers: Respondents who completely or mostly agreed with these statements. QAnon doubters: Respondents who mostly disagreed with these statements. QAnon rejecters: Respondents who completely disagreed with all three statements. > Across the year, one in four Republicans (25%), compared to 14% of independents (14%) and 9% of Democrats identify as QAnon believers. Nearly half of Republicans (47%) who most trust far-right news outlets like One America News Network or Newsmax are QAnon believers

michaelmrose 4y ago

I don't decide the average disposition of hundreds of millions of people by polling my social circle because I don't associate with a representative sample of the population by design I prefer to deal with more reasonable people. A VERY substantial minority on the order of 1/4 of those who self identify as Republicans believe in the core tenets of the qanon conspiracy and most think the election was stolen. These are facts that you cannot reasonable refute by telling me you a reasonable fellow associate with other reasonable people.

kcplate 4y ago
You claim facts. Back them up. I see a lot of these kind of comments claiming facts, but rarely see any surveys, studies, or statistics to back them up. You may believe that a core tenant of qanon is someone believing leftist politicians are “evil”, and you might get 25% of republicans agree with that. Does that mean all of that 25% who believe leftists are evil also believe that leftist politicians are reptilian shapeshifting pedophiles that eat baby brains on sundays in a pizza restaurant basement? Doubtful.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  I provided the sources in previously in the thread here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32129721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32129721 To address more directly the point you referenced directly. The study is discussed here https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... But if you want to skip the analysis and go to the meat of it, it's here. https://www.prri.org/research/the-persistence-of-qanon-in-the-post-trump-era-an-analysis-of-who-believes-the-conspiracies/ https://www.prri.org/research/the-persistence-of-qanon-in-th... 16% of Republicans completely or mostly agree the government media and financial worlds are controlled by a global network of Satan worshiping pedos who run a global sex trafficking operation 22% completely or mostly agree that a storm is coming that will sweep away the elites in power and restore the rightful leaders. 18% completely or mostly agree that things are so far off track that American patriots may need to use violence to save our country. From the second source > To assess overall belief in QAnon, PRRI created a composite measure from these three questions and identified the following three groups: QAnon believers: Respondents who completely or mostly agreed with these statements. QAnon doubters: Respondents who mostly disagreed with these statements. QAnon rejecters: Respondents who completely disagreed with all three statements. > Across the year, one in four Republicans (25%), compared to 14% of independents (14%) and 9% of Democrats identify as QAnon believers. Nearly half of Republicans (47%) who most trust far-right news outlets like One America News Network or Newsmax are QAnon believers