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>the Ukrainians whom had been initially invaded lest we forget in 2014 not 2022 Yes, do you remember why they were invaded? The US fomented and funded the 2014
by yucky 4y ago
>the Ukrainians whom had been initially invaded lest we forget in 2014 not 2022
Yes, do you remember why they were invaded? The US fomented and funded the 2014 coup, which immediately triggered the invasion - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957. This was orchestrated by US intelligence.
So of course US intelligence wasn't very fond of anybody disrupting their play in Ukraine. No surprise then that they went after Trump as hard as they did for as long as they did, until he was gone.
Trump is more of a broken clock than a foreign policy genius, but on this one (and on the dangers of offshoring too much to China) he was right. We were neck deep in shenanigans in Ukraine for a long time, and he came in and fucked the game up for 4 years. Once he was gone, the game was restarted and here we are. Delayed, but back on the playbook.
Also, thinking it was a bad idea to install a puppet government in Ukraine (and not wanting to continue playing along) isn't "Russian collusion" either. All of our fuckery in Ukraine is why we're staring down the barrel of WWIII and a very, very cold winter too. So on this one, Trump was right.
- michaelmrose 4y agoWe didn't install a puppet government in Ukraine. Russia tried to install a puppet government in Ukraine that the Ukrainians in turn rejected not least of which after the man who would be puppet met protests with violence. Then he fled back to his masters in Moscow. Nothing "triggered" the invasion of Ukraine but Putin's greed. He himself said in an essay that it necessary to steal Ukraine sooner rather than later not to preserve the security of Russia which is rendered inviolable not by buffer states but by 1200 nukes but because it would be impossible to steal it later without fighting NATO. Assigning blame to the US is like blaming a wife's talkative friend for the beating her abuser handed out because he feared rightly that her "vacation" was really her fleeing his clutches. It's deeply offensive. A stopped clock may be right twice a day but Trump was not. His sol meaningful action in that area was an attempt to sell Ukraine on a politically manipulative investigation of his domestic rival in exchange for the supplies already authorized by congress. He did nothing. He did however repeatedly according to his own people repeatedly express the desire to torpedo NATO which would have served to embolden Russia. We can probably credit both his handlers and the voters who rejected his second term for him not having a worse effect.
- yucky 4y agoNo comment on the leaked transcripts showing our meddling in Ukraine prior to the coup? No comment on the invasion of Crimea literally happening the day after our preferred leaders took control after the coup? These are unrelated coincidences in your mind?
- michaelmrose 4y agoThe invasion of Crimea was directly related to the Russian puppet being unseated. The US isn't responsible for Russia invading a sovereign nation and murdering its citizens. Crimea isn't Russia. Ukraine isn't Russia.
- yucky 4y agoA thought experiment (not that it matters): An enemy of the US finances and foments a coup in Mexico and the leadership that takes over is hostile to US interests, and friendly to our enemy. What would the US do? Would we just "honor the sovereignty of Mexico" and let it go?
- michaelmrose 4y agoWe would be morally obliged to let it go rather than murder thousands of Mexicans and take from millions of Mexicans there right to self determination.
- yucky 4y agoGood thing US foreign policy is known for being driven by moral obligations.. Meanwhile we won't even let countries thousands of miles away determine their own path, let alone a bordering nation. We're beyond hypocritical on this.