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1. That was only true before Delta. When Delta came, the viral load became the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed folks and combined with waning immunity of 3-6 m

1. That was only true before Delta. When Delta came, the viral load became the same between vaxxed and unvaxxed folks and combined with waning immunity of 3-6 months, most people were basically "unvaxxed" with respect to transmission by fall. Omicron took it even further where since December, in Ontario, boosted and vaxxed folks have had higher rate per 100k of covid infections. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... 3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source: https://web.archive.org/web/20220228051509/http://covid-19.ontario.ca/data https://web.archive.org/web/20220228051509/http://covid-19.o... https://web.archive.org/web/20220331081902/http://covid-19.ontario.ca/data https://web.archive.org/web/20220331081902/http://covid-19.o... Here's how it looks: https://imgur.com/a/H4ErmyC https://imgur.com/a/H4ErmyC

mlyle 4y ago
> 1. That was only true before Delta. Posting a disputed study that I criticized to try and refute me, when I posted important 2022 followup data to viral shedding based on actual infectivity rather than just RNA copies indicates you either didn't read my comment or didn't understand it. > 3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source: I just knew you were going to point to the Ontario data from Mar-Apr. This is why I said in a couple places they popped above for a couple data points. Are you deliberately being obtuse? Compare to basically any other data series from any other time; e.g. my locale: https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-status https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-...
- busymom0 4y ago
  How’s that study disputed? That study is not alone either. NEJM has similar studies too. Your link seems to be an outlier. Denmark, UK, Scotland, and other provinces in Canada also show the same higher rates in boosted and fully vaxxed than unvaxxed. Walgreens data for US also shows this. Look at page 3 of: https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.j... Canadian government seroprevalence data also shows that between December 2021 and May 2022, there were at least 17.5 million infections. This is in a population of 38 million. This was despite extremely high vax rates. So, how exactly did the vaccine prevent infection and transmission? Vaxxed folks were allowed to enjoy services with a false sense of security and spread Covid to others while unvaxxed folks were denied from society. Please don’t resolve to ad hominem attacks on hacker news.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    - mcronce 4y ago
      - mlyle 4y ago
        dang 4y ago
        It's common for people to feel like there must be brigading when downvotes etc. show up quickly, but a much simpler explanation is that this stuff happens all the time on divisive topics, with no coordination required. It's also perfectly common for downvoted posts to get upvoted back to positive, as other readers come in. It's actually to be expected for unfairly downvoted posts, since readers will give corrective upvotes regardless of whether they agree or disagree. If you break the site guidelines, though—which unfortunately you did in this thread, repeatedly—you're going to get downvoted and flagged regardless of whether people agree/disagree or your underlying view is right/wrong. Of course it's very frustrating to see lots of wrong views, or views you feel are wrong, getting expressed in threads like this. But the site guidelines require all commenters to metabolize that frustration and to remain thoughtful and respectful and substantive in their comments, regardless of how right they are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        mlyle 4y ago
        I know there's volatility in voting, but the tone of discussion and vote patterns early in these discussions do not look at all like what happens later. It seems to happen repeatedly on topics of vaccines: thoughtful pro-vax stuff gets downvoted/gray. There's one thing I particularly disagree with: I do not think labelling a user that posts large piles of anti-vaccine content as "antivax" is ad-hom.

mlyle 4y ago

> 1. That was only true before Delta. Posting a disputed study that I criticized to try and refute me, when I posted important 2022 followup data to viral shedding based on actual infectivity rather than just RNA copies indicates you either didn't read my comment or didn't understand it. > 3. It is true and the government admits that boosted and vaxxed have higher rates. Ontario source: I just knew you were going to point to the Ontario data from Mar-Apr. This is why I said in a couple places they popped above for a couple data points. Are you deliberately being obtuse? Compare to basically any other data series from any other time; e.g. my locale: https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-status https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-case-rates-vaccination-...

busymom0 4y ago
How’s that study disputed? That study is not alone either. NEJM has similar studies too. Your link seems to be an outlier. Denmark, UK, Scotland, and other provinces in Canada also show the same higher rates in boosted and fully vaxxed than unvaxxed. Walgreens data for US also shows this. Look at page 3 of: https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.j... Canadian government seroprevalence data also shows that between December 2021 and May 2022, there were at least 17.5 million infections. This is in a population of 38 million. This was despite extremely high vax rates. So, how exactly did the vaccine prevent infection and transmission? Vaxxed folks were allowed to enjoy services with a false sense of security and spread Covid to others while unvaxxed folks were denied from society. Please don’t resolve to ad hominem attacks on hacker news.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  - mcronce 4y ago
    - mlyle 4y ago
      - dang 4y ago
        It's common for people to feel like there must be brigading when downvotes etc. show up quickly, but a much simpler explanation is that this stuff happens all the time on divisive topics, with no coordination required. It's also perfectly common for downvoted posts to get upvoted back to positive, as other readers come in. It's actually to be expected for unfairly downvoted posts, since readers will give corrective upvotes regardless of whether they agree or disagree. If you break the site guidelines, though—which unfortunately you did in this thread, repeatedly—you're going to get downvoted and flagged regardless of whether people agree/disagree or your underlying view is right/wrong. Of course it's very frustrating to see lots of wrong views, or views you feel are wrong, getting expressed in threads like this. But the site guidelines require all commenters to metabolize that frustration and to remain thoughtful and respectful and substantive in their comments, regardless of how right they are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        mlyle 4y ago
        I know there's volatility in voting, but the tone of discussion and vote patterns early in these discussions do not look at all like what happens later. It seems to happen repeatedly on topics of vaccines: thoughtful pro-vax stuff gets downvoted/gray. There's one thing I particularly disagree with: I do not think labelling a user that posts large piles of anti-vaccine content as "antivax" is ad-hom.