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1. Covid vax does not prevent long covid: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/25/long-covid-vaccines-slight-protection/ https://www.washingtonpost.co

1. Covid vax does not prevent long covid: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/25/long-covid-vaccines-slight-protection/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/25/long-covid-... 2. Healthy young people under 50 or even 60 were not dying or getting hospitalized. Whatever risk they want to take, they should be able to take it without mandates. Since the vax does not prevent infection or transmission, one is only taking individual risk and not affecting others.

jamroom 4y ago
Specific to the US which states had vaccine mandates?
- busymom0 4y ago
  I live in Canada. Here, unvaxxed weren't even allowed to air travel domestically. Nor did they recognize a negative PCR test or past infection natural immunity. Compassionate grounds such as taking care of sick family member, funeral etc were also not exempted. Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc. Meanwhile, an unvaxxed person wasn't allowed to do the same even if they could show a negative PCR test.
  - vimwizard 4y ago
    >Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc This isn't true at all, plenty of businesses have a no-symptoms policy. On the flip side, I don't think they could effectively screen everyone anyway.
    - busymom0 4y ago
      I am talking about Canada. We had one of the most draconian mandates. And these were enforced by Government orders, not simply businesses. We still have them actually in July 2022. Kids aren't allowed to go to summer camp without being 2 dose vaxxed. Travellers who are unvaxxed need to show a negative test at airport, another negative test on 8th day and quarantine for 14 days.
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inferiorhuman 4y ago
> Healthy young people under 50 or even 60 were not dying or getting hospitalized. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/#who-has https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-case... By 35 and again by 50 your risk of death's increased. By 60 you're already seeing a disproportionately large amount of deaths.
- inquirerGeneral 4y ago
  Interesting how the Latino population in Age \ Deaths doesn't increase with age like the other populations What you said only applies to Latinos
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    If I had to guess I'd say that the generally worse health outcomes for Latinos means that things just don't have that much room to get worse as they age. In terms of COVID vax rates among blacks and latinos is lower than it is amongst whites and asians so that's not helping. Look at how much higher the mortality rate is for younger Latinos… yikes.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    > What you said only applies to Latinos No. What I said applies to all cohorts. Take a look at the bar chart entitled "Percentage of deaths vs. population". That's not broken out by race or gender, only by age. Below 35 deaths are underrepresented. When you hit 35+ the inner bar (percentage of deaths) becomes a larger part of the outer bar (percentage of total population), by 50 it's nearly equal, and for 60+ deaths are overrepresented.
- busymom0 4y ago
  Here in Canada, 97.2% of deaths are in 50+. https://i.imgur.com/dlDhdix.png https://i.imgur.com/dlDhdix.png Source: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/ https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/ Here's how the Ontario's hospitalization and death rate looks based on age and vax status in the 4 month period: https://imgur.com/a/UswEidp https://imgur.com/a/UswEidp Source: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=en https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/ep... Even before the vaccinations, the pre-vaccine infection fatality rate in anyone under 50 or even 60 was absolutely tiny. Look at page 1475 of this which shows the IFR pre-vaccine based on each age year: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2902867-1 https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821...

jamroom 4y ago

Specific to the US which states had vaccine mandates?

busymom0 4y ago
I live in Canada. Here, unvaxxed weren't even allowed to air travel domestically. Nor did they recognize a negative PCR test or past infection natural immunity. Compassionate grounds such as taking care of sick family member, funeral etc were also not exempted. Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc. Meanwhile, an unvaxxed person wasn't allowed to do the same even if they could show a negative PCR test.
- vimwizard 4y ago
  >Everyone who were COVID+ despite being vaxxed were allowed to fly, go to gym, restaurant etc This isn't true at all, plenty of businesses have a no-symptoms policy. On the flip side, I don't think they could effectively screen everyone anyway.
  - busymom0 4y ago
    I am talking about Canada. We had one of the most draconian mandates. And these were enforced by Government orders, not simply businesses. We still have them actually in July 2022. Kids aren't allowed to go to summer camp without being 2 dose vaxxed. Travellers who are unvaxxed need to show a negative test at airport, another negative test on 8th day and quarantine for 14 days.

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inferiorhuman 4y ago

> Healthy young people under 50 or even 60 were not dying or getting hospitalized. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/#who-has https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-case... By 35 and again by 50 your risk of death's increased. By 60 you're already seeing a disproportionately large amount of deaths.

inquirerGeneral 4y ago
Interesting how the Latino population in Age \ Deaths doesn't increase with age like the other populations What you said only applies to Latinos
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  If I had to guess I'd say that the generally worse health outcomes for Latinos means that things just don't have that much room to get worse as they age. In terms of COVID vax rates among blacks and latinos is lower than it is amongst whites and asians so that's not helping. Look at how much higher the mortality rate is for younger Latinos… yikes.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  > What you said only applies to Latinos No. What I said applies to all cohorts. Take a look at the bar chart entitled "Percentage of deaths vs. population". That's not broken out by race or gender, only by age. Below 35 deaths are underrepresented. When you hit 35+ the inner bar (percentage of deaths) becomes a larger part of the outer bar (percentage of total population), by 50 it's nearly equal, and for 60+ deaths are overrepresented.
busymom0 4y ago
Here in Canada, 97.2% of deaths are in 50+. https://i.imgur.com/dlDhdix.png https://i.imgur.com/dlDhdix.png Source: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/ https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/ Here's how the Ontario's hospitalization and death rate looks based on age and vax status in the 4 month period: https://imgur.com/a/UswEidp https://imgur.com/a/UswEidp Source: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=en https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/ep... Even before the vaccinations, the pre-vaccine infection fatality rate in anyone under 50 or even 60 was absolutely tiny. Look at page 1475 of this which shows the IFR pre-vaccine based on each age year: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2902867-1 https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821...