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The Czechoslovak Republic was pretty much the last democratic country in the region. To say that those elections were "not free" requires a massive amount of gu

by jhgb 4y ago

The Czechoslovak Republic was pretty much the last democratic country in the region. To say that those elections were "not free" requires a massive amount of guts. They were as free as you get in that time and place. If 90% of a German minority votes for an openly Nazi politician with an openly Nazi agenda, then 90% of that German minority are openly Nazi. Case closed, period. > the Sudetenland was dominated by a German minority, that German candidates fare better among German voters is not a big surprise Ah, so they had to vote for the Nazi. > joining Germany wasn't an unpopular policy, not in Austria nor in the Sudetenland, that a party favouring that policy does well during elections isn't a big surprise neither Ah, I see. "That doesn't count because it was popular." I assume you must also be an apologist for illegal Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine as well? > those elections envolved a lot of intimidation to vote for the SdP, that means better results for the SdP Yes, so many years after comparably free German elections, Nazis got even more votes in a country with less previous Nazi influence, and that means that these vastly higher results (2x or so?) were due to "intimidation". > Just one question, what is it with you trying to pin those Henlein election results on women? I'm not "pinning the results on women". I'm pinning them on all Germans who voted that way, which does not exclude German women as some kind of a group repressed by some "male loserdom", as claimed above. They were complicit in it to pretty much same degree as the male part of the population.

hef19898 4y ago
You didn't even look at the source, did you? An election is not free if one party, the SdP, uses intimidation againstvall other candidates. Up to the point that in some districs the SdP list eas the only one available. The SdP, with help from the Nazis, build up pressure on families of DSAP (social democrats) candidates. Economically, not supporting the SdP was a death sentence. The list goes on. It was the SdP who made those elections not free, not Czech authorities. And despite this climate of fear, women voted, again using your numbers, 20% less for the SdP than men. Nitpick so, those Sudetendeutsche enabled the local Nazi allies to win a communal election and get to "go home to the Reich". They did not enable the Nazi's rise to power in Germany. As far as losers go: The German minority was economically desperate in the 30s, unemployment was rampant, industry loosing contracts, self determination was deteriorating. So yes, in a sense those were losers. Men, apparently, felt more like losers than women. Or they lacked the courage to not fall in line. The election results clearly show that. I say that as being a direct decendant from those losers, and I have no idea how my grandparents voted back then, or would have if they were old enough to vote in 1938 that is. I assume so, that they would have clearly favored Henlein, both of them.

by jhgb 4y ago

hef19898 4y ago

You didn't even look at the source, did you? An election is not free if one party, the SdP, uses intimidation againstvall other candidates. Up to the point that in some districs the SdP list eas the only one available. The SdP, with help from the Nazis, build up pressure on families of DSAP (social democrats) candidates. Economically, not supporting the SdP was a death sentence. The list goes on. It was the SdP who made those elections not free, not Czech authorities. And despite this climate of fear, women voted, again using your numbers, 20% less for the SdP than men. Nitpick so, those Sudetendeutsche enabled the local Nazi allies to win a communal election and get to "go home to the Reich". They did not enable the Nazi's rise to power in Germany. As far as losers go: The German minority was economically desperate in the 30s, unemployment was rampant, industry loosing contracts, self determination was deteriorating. So yes, in a sense those were losers. Men, apparently, felt more like losers than women. Or they lacked the courage to not fall in line. The election results clearly show that. I say that as being a direct decendant from those losers, and I have no idea how my grandparents voted back then, or would have if they were old enough to vote in 1938 that is. I assume so, that they would have clearly favored Henlein, both of them.