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At least 80% of German women voted for Henlein and SdP in 1938 long after Hitler had been in power and known for what he was. "Women just didn't like em that mu

by jhgb 4y ago

At least 80% of German women voted for Henlein and SdP in 1938 long after Hitler had been in power and known for what he was. "Women just didn't like em that much" is pure fantasy.

hef19898 4y ago
Henlein's SdP, the Nazi-aligned party of the German minority in Chekoslovakia, got 90% of the vote of that minority in the last elections before the Sudetenland was absorbed by Naz-Germany in 1938. All German women never did vote for the SdP, basically becaise the SdP was a party in Chekoslovakia and not Germany. Also, by 1938, elections were no longer free and thus are a bad baseline. So, as a matter of fact, the only German women that ever voted for the SdP / Henlein were part of the German minority. And even there, women voted less for SdP than the overall German community did. That a German minority would be largely in favor joining Germany is propably not a big surprise, is it? And as said, even then women voted less for the SdP. So please stop posting unsubstantiated claims.
- jhgb 4y ago
  The May 1938 elections were absolutely free. Where did you get that they weren't free? > And even there, women voted less for SdP than the overall German community did. 80% minimum is "less than overall German community"? > That a German minority would be largely in favor joining Germany is propably not a big surprise, is it? "Of course they voted for Nazis" is the exact opposite of "but they didn't vote for Nazis". > And as said, even then women voted less for the SdP. So please stop posting unsubstantiated claims. You yourself admit it's not unsubstantiated.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Which elections were free? The once in Germany, which the SdP didn't participate in definitely were not. The communal ebelctions in Sudetenland of 1938? Kind of free, but people bot supporting the Nazi allied SdP were already harassed and presured to vote SdP. That under these circumstances women voted less for Nazis then men is kind of note-worthy. But since I do not expect you to argue in good faith or to provide some facts, I'll stop it here. The Anschluss and the Munich Agreement, along with the history of the Sudetenland, is too conolex a topic to discuss in such a manner.
    - jhgb 4y ago
      "Kind of free?" Are you kidding me? The absolutely laughable claim above was that women were not to be blamed for the electoral victories of Nazis. The fact that at least 80% of German women in Czechoslovakia voted for Nazis in free elections demolishes that absurdity.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Ok, apparently I can't stop... Source to the claim that elections in 1938, those we are talking about were not free: https://web.archive.org/web/20111110054101/http://www.uni-duesseldorf.de/home/Jahrbuch/2004/PDF/Brandes.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20111110054101/http://www.uni-du... And yes, a difference of 20% is quite significant. Also, German citizens enabled the Nazi, no doubt about that. The situation in Czechoslovakia in 1938 is different: - the Sudetenland was dominated by a German minority, that German candidates fare better among German voters is not a big surprise - joining Germany wasn't an unpopular policy, not in Austria nor in the Sudetenland, that a party favouring that policy does well during elections isn't a big surprise neither - those elections envolved a lot of intimidation to vote for the SdP, that means better results for the SdP Just one question, what is it with you trying to pin those Henlein election results on women?
        jhgb 4y ago
        The Czechoslovak Republic was pretty much the last democratic country in the region. To say that those elections were "not free" requires a massive amount of guts. They were as free as you get in that time and place. If 90% of a German minority votes for an openly Nazi politician with an openly Nazi agenda, then 90% of that German minority are openly Nazi. Case closed, period. > the Sudetenland was dominated by a German minority, that German candidates fare better among German voters is not a big surprise Ah, so they had to vote for the Nazi. > joining Germany wasn't an unpopular policy, not in Austria nor in the Sudetenland, that a party favouring that policy does well during elections isn't a big surprise neither Ah, I see. "That doesn't count because it was popular." I assume you must also be an apologist for illegal Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine as well? > those elections envolved a lot of intimidation to vote for the SdP, that means better results for the SdP Yes, so many years after comparably free German elections, Nazis got even more votes in a country with less previous Nazi influence, and that means that these vastly higher results (2x or so?) were due to "intimidation". > Just one question, what is it with you trying to pin those Henlein election results on women? I'm not "pinning the results on women". I'm pinning them on all Germans who voted that way, which does not exclude German women as some kind of a group repressed by some "male loserdom", as claimed above. They were complicit in it to pretty much same degree as the male part of the population.

by jhgb 4y ago

At least 80% of German women voted for Henlein and SdP in 1938 long after Hitler had been in power and known for what he was. "Women just didn't like em that much" is pure fantasy.

hef19898 4y ago

Henlein's SdP, the Nazi-aligned party of the German minority in Chekoslovakia, got 90% of the vote of that minority in the last elections before the Sudetenland was absorbed by Naz-Germany in 1938. All German women never did vote for the SdP, basically becaise the SdP was a party in Chekoslovakia and not Germany. Also, by 1938, elections were no longer free and thus are a bad baseline. So, as a matter of fact, the only German women that ever voted for the SdP / Henlein were part of the German minority. And even there, women voted less for SdP than the overall German community did. That a German minority would be largely in favor joining Germany is propably not a big surprise, is it? And as said, even then women voted less for the SdP. So please stop posting unsubstantiated claims.

jhgb 4y ago
The May 1938 elections were absolutely free. Where did you get that they weren't free? > And even there, women voted less for SdP than the overall German community did. 80% minimum is "less than overall German community"? > That a German minority would be largely in favor joining Germany is propably not a big surprise, is it? "Of course they voted for Nazis" is the exact opposite of "but they didn't vote for Nazis". > And as said, even then women voted less for the SdP. So please stop posting unsubstantiated claims. You yourself admit it's not unsubstantiated.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Which elections were free? The once in Germany, which the SdP didn't participate in definitely were not. The communal ebelctions in Sudetenland of 1938? Kind of free, but people bot supporting the Nazi allied SdP were already harassed and presured to vote SdP. That under these circumstances women voted less for Nazis then men is kind of note-worthy. But since I do not expect you to argue in good faith or to provide some facts, I'll stop it here. The Anschluss and the Munich Agreement, along with the history of the Sudetenland, is too conolex a topic to discuss in such a manner.
  - jhgb 4y ago
    "Kind of free?" Are you kidding me? The absolutely laughable claim above was that women were not to be blamed for the electoral victories of Nazis. The fact that at least 80% of German women in Czechoslovakia voted for Nazis in free elections demolishes that absurdity.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Ok, apparently I can't stop... Source to the claim that elections in 1938, those we are talking about were not free: https://web.archive.org/web/20111110054101/http://www.uni-duesseldorf.de/home/Jahrbuch/2004/PDF/Brandes.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20111110054101/http://www.uni-du... And yes, a difference of 20% is quite significant. Also, German citizens enabled the Nazi, no doubt about that. The situation in Czechoslovakia in 1938 is different: - the Sudetenland was dominated by a German minority, that German candidates fare better among German voters is not a big surprise - joining Germany wasn't an unpopular policy, not in Austria nor in the Sudetenland, that a party favouring that policy does well during elections isn't a big surprise neither - those elections envolved a lot of intimidation to vote for the SdP, that means better results for the SdP Just one question, what is it with you trying to pin those Henlein election results on women?
      - jhgb 4y ago
        The Czechoslovak Republic was pretty much the last democratic country in the region. To say that those elections were "not free" requires a massive amount of guts. They were as free as you get in that time and place. If 90% of a German minority votes for an openly Nazi politician with an openly Nazi agenda, then 90% of that German minority are openly Nazi. Case closed, period. > the Sudetenland was dominated by a German minority, that German candidates fare better among German voters is not a big surprise Ah, so they had to vote for the Nazi. > joining Germany wasn't an unpopular policy, not in Austria nor in the Sudetenland, that a party favouring that policy does well during elections isn't a big surprise neither Ah, I see. "That doesn't count because it was popular." I assume you must also be an apologist for illegal Russian annexation of parts of Ukraine as well? > those elections envolved a lot of intimidation to vote for the SdP, that means better results for the SdP Yes, so many years after comparably free German elections, Nazis got even more votes in a country with less previous Nazi influence, and that means that these vastly higher results (2x or so?) were due to "intimidation". > Just one question, what is it with you trying to pin those Henlein election results on women? I'm not "pinning the results on women". I'm pinning them on all Germans who voted that way, which does not exclude German women as some kind of a group repressed by some "male loserdom", as claimed above. They were complicit in it to pretty much same degree as the male part of the population.