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I never switched to Chrome, always used Firefox. But it increasingly got more config-involving to make FF do what I wanted and maybe I overdid some settings/pl

I never switched to Chrome, always used Firefox. But it increasingly got more config-involving to make FF do what I wanted and maybe I overdid some settings/plugins and websites started to show incorrectly. Also the imho (much) too high salary for the CEO annoyed me (Mozilla is supposed to be "Internet for people, not profit"). Tried Brave and it was a nice experience after some initial cost to e.g. disable crypto. Some weeks ago I uninstalled FF on all my computers...

monetus 4y ago
It is kind of a conundrum. The Mozilla situation seems clearly to be self serving and crippling the potential of the browser. The CEO's pay exemplary of that - and similar situations are there with brave. The founder was forced out of Mozilla for a reason, but setting that aside, the liberty they took with collecting crypto for businesses while those businesses were unaware put me off of them in a profound way. The niche the browser itself fills is obviously good but the methods seem... off, not malicious intent, just questionable. Changing the ad economy isn't bad for example, a great driving motivation.
divs1210 4y ago
Same! I switched from FF to Brave a few months back, and I'm liking it a lot. I miss a few features, but nothing major.
- retrocryptid 4y ago
  I used to work with Brendan and despite being trans felt he sorta got the shaft from Mozilla. I know everyone was upset with him, but for a year and a half I worked with him and he was never anything but cordial to me... an out trans queer person. So when he launched Brave I wanted to give it the benefit if the doubt. But the early messaging about what conditions ads are replaced was hamfisted and I stopped using it relatively quickly. That being said... all the browsers (FF, Brave, Chrome, Safari, etc.) embody the agenda of their respective organizations. The question you may want to ask is "what organization has the most motivation to address issues I care about most?" This is why I use Lynx.
  - wyclif 4y ago
    I don't know Brendan, but I agree that from everything I've gathered he was treated very badly by Mozilla and then to make matters worse he was woke mobbed. Absolutely lost respect for Mozilla after that. The CEO issue, to a lesser degree, indicates to me that they don't really understand how to run a tech company properly.
- triyambakam 4y ago
  Yep! Lifetime FF user and I switched to Brave a few weeks ago. It took a little while to get used to the interface but otherwise enjoying it.
iknowstuff 4y ago
Given that Brave is a for-profit business backed by VC money[1], sooner or later it'll become what you hate and you will find yourself wishing there was a browser ran by a strong non-profit like Mozilla. That being said, perhaps they should just piggyback off WebKit/Blink and save themselves a ton of resources. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
  Mozilla may be a non-profit but there’s a saying: “non profit doesn’t mean they don’t make money”. It’s not too difficult to disable, but Firefox does push suggestions by default and has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket.
  - Lev1a 4y ago
    > Firefox [...] has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket "Mozilla Corporation" bought Pocket in 2017. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) : > On February 27, 2017, Pocket announced that it had been acquired by Mozilla Corporation, the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group. Mozilla staff stated that Pocket would continue to operate as an independent subsidiary but that it would be leveraged as part of an ongoing "Context Graph" project.[6] There are plans to open-source the server-side code of Pocket,[11][12][13] with more than 50 repositories already available on the company's GitHub account, including their iOS app.
    - BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
      I stand partially corrected! Didn’t realize they were acquired but they are still using pocket for revenue. In fact, this little nugget supports my original post: “the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group”
  - cedilla 4y ago
    Pocket has been acquired by Mozilla a few years ago.
jshen 4y ago
How much was the CEO getting paid?
- 6510 4y ago
  I'm no expert, just reading web pages: Apparently Firefox market share dropped from 30% to 3.46 over the same time her income went from 500 k to 4 million. An old write up: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
  - jshen 4y ago
    A few million seems reasonable to me. It’s less than a CEO of a tech company makes.
    - 6510 4y ago
      I dunno, for a non profit the % administrative overhead is apparently ridiculous. Clueless as I am I had a look at page 6-7 of https://nonprofitlight.com/page/6 https://nonprofitlight.com/page/6 where we find helm men of charities earning around 4 m. This entry strikes me as funny: -------------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/new-york/trustees-of-columbia-university-in-the-city-of-new-york https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/new-york/trustees-of-columbia-... TRUSTEES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK Total Revenue $5,554,552,356 Total Expenses $5,268,492,284 Net Assets $15,984,284,555 Lawrence Gerald Lenke PROFESSOR OF SURGERY $4,741,060 OR ---------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ky/louisville/university-of-louisville-athletic-association https://nonprofitlight.com/ky/louisville/university-of-louis... UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION Total Revenue $126,934,461 Total Expenses $122,421,563 Net Assets $126,332,991 Fredric Scott Satterfield Head Football Coach $4,140,900 -------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/mountain-view/mozilla-foundation https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/mountain-view/mozilla-foundati... MOZILLA FOUNDATION Total Revenue $28,388,184 Total Expenses $21,889,786 Net Assets $53,411,636 Mark Surman EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR/PRESIDENT $286,990 ---------- Right, now I'm more clueless than I started out.
causality0 4y ago
The worst thing about using Firefox is that the longer you use it the more things you have done to un-fuck it and the more work it is to replicate all those things on a new system.

monetus 4y ago

It is kind of a conundrum. The Mozilla situation seems clearly to be self serving and crippling the potential of the browser. The CEO's pay exemplary of that - and similar situations are there with brave. The founder was forced out of Mozilla for a reason, but setting that aside, the liberty they took with collecting crypto for businesses while those businesses were unaware put me off of them in a profound way. The niche the browser itself fills is obviously good but the methods seem... off, not malicious intent, just questionable. Changing the ad economy isn't bad for example, a great driving motivation.

divs1210 4y ago

Same! I switched from FF to Brave a few months back, and I'm liking it a lot. I miss a few features, but nothing major.

retrocryptid 4y ago
I used to work with Brendan and despite being trans felt he sorta got the shaft from Mozilla. I know everyone was upset with him, but for a year and a half I worked with him and he was never anything but cordial to me... an out trans queer person. So when he launched Brave I wanted to give it the benefit if the doubt. But the early messaging about what conditions ads are replaced was hamfisted and I stopped using it relatively quickly. That being said... all the browsers (FF, Brave, Chrome, Safari, etc.) embody the agenda of their respective organizations. The question you may want to ask is "what organization has the most motivation to address issues I care about most?" This is why I use Lynx.
- wyclif 4y ago
  I don't know Brendan, but I agree that from everything I've gathered he was treated very badly by Mozilla and then to make matters worse he was woke mobbed. Absolutely lost respect for Mozilla after that. The CEO issue, to a lesser degree, indicates to me that they don't really understand how to run a tech company properly.
triyambakam 4y ago
Yep! Lifetime FF user and I switched to Brave a few weeks ago. It took a little while to get used to the interface but otherwise enjoying it.

iknowstuff 4y ago

Given that Brave is a for-profit business backed by VC money[1], sooner or later it'll become what you hate and you will find yourself wishing there was a browser ran by a strong non-profit like Mozilla. That being said, perhaps they should just piggyback off WebKit/Blink and save themselves a ton of resources. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/brave-software

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
Mozilla may be a non-profit but there’s a saying: “non profit doesn’t mean they don’t make money”. It’s not too difficult to disable, but Firefox does push suggestions by default and has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket.
- Lev1a 4y ago
  > Firefox [...] has a revenue sharing agreement with Pocket "Mozilla Corporation" bought Pocket in 2017. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) : > On February 27, 2017, Pocket announced that it had been acquired by Mozilla Corporation, the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group. Mozilla staff stated that Pocket would continue to operate as an independent subsidiary but that it would be leveraged as part of an ongoing "Context Graph" project.[6] There are plans to open-source the server-side code of Pocket,[11][12][13] with more than 50 repositories already available on the company's GitHub account, including their iOS app.
  - BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
    I stand partially corrected! Didn’t realize they were acquired but they are still using pocket for revenue. In fact, this little nugget supports my original post: “the commercial arm of Firefox's non-profit development group”
- cedilla 4y ago
  Pocket has been acquired by Mozilla a few years ago.

jshen 4y ago

How much was the CEO getting paid?

6510 4y ago
I'm no expert, just reading web pages: Apparently Firefox market share dropped from 30% to 3.46 over the same time her income went from 500 k to 4 million. An old write up: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html
- jshen 4y ago
  A few million seems reasonable to me. It’s less than a CEO of a tech company makes.
  - 6510 4y ago
    I dunno, for a non profit the % administrative overhead is apparently ridiculous. Clueless as I am I had a look at page 6-7 of https://nonprofitlight.com/page/6 https://nonprofitlight.com/page/6 where we find helm men of charities earning around 4 m. This entry strikes me as funny: -------------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/new-york/trustees-of-columbia-university-in-the-city-of-new-york https://nonprofitlight.com/ny/new-york/trustees-of-columbia-... TRUSTEES OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK Total Revenue $5,554,552,356 Total Expenses $5,268,492,284 Net Assets $15,984,284,555 Lawrence Gerald Lenke PROFESSOR OF SURGERY $4,741,060 OR ---------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ky/louisville/university-of-louisville-athletic-association https://nonprofitlight.com/ky/louisville/university-of-louis... UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION Total Revenue $126,934,461 Total Expenses $122,421,563 Net Assets $126,332,991 Fredric Scott Satterfield Head Football Coach $4,140,900 -------- https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/mountain-view/mozilla-foundation https://nonprofitlight.com/ca/mountain-view/mozilla-foundati... MOZILLA FOUNDATION Total Revenue $28,388,184 Total Expenses $21,889,786 Net Assets $53,411,636 Mark Surman EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR/PRESIDENT $286,990 ---------- Right, now I'm more clueless than I started out.

causality0 4y ago

The worst thing about using Firefox is that the longer you use it the more things you have done to un-fuck it and the more work it is to replicate all those things on a new system.