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These things are now everywhere , not just litter but an environmental horror story and a fire risk as well. Previously I had seen them & wondered what they wer

These things are now everywhere , not just litter but an environmental horror story and a fire risk as well. Previously I had seen them & wondered what they were then this Big Clive video explained all .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65DpT2nqEI&ab_channel=bigclivedotcom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65DpT2nqEI&ab_channel=bigcl... I must admit the ones with 1500 mah batteries are very useful.

iamflimflam1 4y ago
Still waiting to find one of those - so far I've only found the 500mAh versions.
failTide 4y ago
I've even seen them ending up in the ocean and harbors. Teens will litter them on the shoreline and not realize (or care) that the high tide will take them.
Blackthorn 4y ago
My God, that video made me wince when he revealed the insides of all those devices. Perfectly good lithium and manufacturing, made to be used once and literally thrown away. Such a disgusting level of waste.
- tsol 4y ago
  How is that cost effective? To me, it seems like something is wrong with our economy if it's cost effective to waste so many resources. I'm sure the cost to an individual to extract and refine those resources are low-- but the cost to society as a whole of littering those resources is great
  - tiagod 4y ago
    In many countries, tobacco is very highly taxed (over 10£ for a pack in the UK). Some recent legislation made reusable vaporiser products hard to purchase and sell, limiting tank sizes, nicotine contents, etc, which opened the market for these. Due to the highly taxed nature of nicotine products, the battery/circuitry cost is negligible if it helps getting around restrictions.
    - marsven_422 4y ago
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    you have a strong of faith in capitalism if you expect a market solution to these kind of ills, or if you think it's a few incremental reforms away from being back on-track as "correct" capitalism
  - neurostimulant 4y ago
    Cigarettes are heavily taxed and very expensive, so these disposable e-cig is already profitable when sold at 50% cigarettes price.
  - dmurray 4y ago
    Perhaps it's an unintended consequence of sin taxes on tobacco? If traditional cigarettes were sold at 100-300% of manufacturing cost, single-use electronics couldn't compete.
  - baobob 4y ago
    Margins on these are almost certainly insane, and they appeal to young folk. Don't even need to do the math to know why even large retailers like Tesco are replacing their stocks with them
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  Lithium batteries are too widely used in my opinion. I have the IKEA Eneby Bluetooth speaker. Uses 3 AAA. I can just reuse what rechargeable batteries I have. And I can use the speaker as long as I have batteries so I can charge up as many AAAs as I have. The speaker is no larger than most speakers. You can also recharge the batteries inside the speaker if you want. So many things would be just fine with normal AA or AAA batteries.
  - Blackthorn 4y ago
    There are lithiums in a similar size as AA and company, and are standards that hold more power. Like the 18650 or the 21700. They're perfectly viable as batteries honestly, and they've caused a revolution in stuff like flashlights. I'm trying not to poo-poo lithiums since they honestly are super good. I'm just upset about this immense level of waste.
baobob 4y ago
It's been infuriating watching this in real time in the UK. Over the past 6 months, shops that sold liquids overnight just stopped selling anything reusable, with shelves full of this single use shit Of course these sell better with higher margins than the old liquid bottles. Hope they get taxed into oblivion, wayyy worse for society than an equivalent box of cigarettes

iamflimflam1 4y ago

Still waiting to find one of those - so far I've only found the 500mAh versions.

failTide 4y ago

I've even seen them ending up in the ocean and harbors. Teens will litter them on the shoreline and not realize (or care) that the high tide will take them.

Blackthorn 4y ago

My God, that video made me wince when he revealed the insides of all those devices. Perfectly good lithium and manufacturing, made to be used once and literally thrown away. Such a disgusting level of waste.

tsol 4y ago
How is that cost effective? To me, it seems like something is wrong with our economy if it's cost effective to waste so many resources. I'm sure the cost to an individual to extract and refine those resources are low-- but the cost to society as a whole of littering those resources is great
- tiagod 4y ago
  In many countries, tobacco is very highly taxed (over 10£ for a pack in the UK). Some recent legislation made reusable vaporiser products hard to purchase and sell, limiting tank sizes, nicotine contents, etc, which opened the market for these. Due to the highly taxed nature of nicotine products, the battery/circuitry cost is negligible if it helps getting around restrictions.
  - marsven_422 4y ago
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  you have a strong of faith in capitalism if you expect a market solution to these kind of ills, or if you think it's a few incremental reforms away from being back on-track as "correct" capitalism
- neurostimulant 4y ago
  Cigarettes are heavily taxed and very expensive, so these disposable e-cig is already profitable when sold at 50% cigarettes price.
- dmurray 4y ago
  Perhaps it's an unintended consequence of sin taxes on tobacco? If traditional cigarettes were sold at 100-300% of manufacturing cost, single-use electronics couldn't compete.
- baobob 4y ago
  Margins on these are almost certainly insane, and they appeal to young folk. Don't even need to do the math to know why even large retailers like Tesco are replacing their stocks with them
2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
Lithium batteries are too widely used in my opinion. I have the IKEA Eneby Bluetooth speaker. Uses 3 AAA. I can just reuse what rechargeable batteries I have. And I can use the speaker as long as I have batteries so I can charge up as many AAAs as I have. The speaker is no larger than most speakers. You can also recharge the batteries inside the speaker if you want. So many things would be just fine with normal AA or AAA batteries.
- Blackthorn 4y ago
  There are lithiums in a similar size as AA and company, and are standards that hold more power. Like the 18650 or the 21700. They're perfectly viable as batteries honestly, and they've caused a revolution in stuff like flashlights. I'm trying not to poo-poo lithiums since they honestly are super good. I'm just upset about this immense level of waste.

baobob 4y ago

It's been infuriating watching this in real time in the UK. Over the past 6 months, shops that sold liquids overnight just stopped selling anything reusable, with shelves full of this single use shit Of course these sell better with higher margins than the old liquid bottles. Hope they get taxed into oblivion, wayyy worse for society than an equivalent box of cigarettes