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I used Firefox in the early-mid 00s, switched to Chrome not long after launch, after my colleagues showed me how much slicker is was than a now fairly heavy Fir

by Jenk 4y ago

I used Firefox in the early-mid 00s, switched to Chrome not long after launch, after my colleagues showed me how much slicker is was than a now fairly heavy Firefox (at the time.) Then evil Google emerges, Chrome got fat, FF trimmed up and went privacy-as-a-default, and I'm back on FF again for the better part of the last decade. Opera had a look-in around 2008 but it didn't last long, although some of the features were nicely done, it just had a clunky feeling and the rendering was ... Different.

pmoleri 4y ago
Around 2012 my 6GB Ram laptop was struggling with Chrome, I switched to FF and got much better experience there. Then with FF Quantum release I adopted it definitely.
tppiotrowski 4y ago
The right click mouse gestures of Opera were great for quickly navigating back/forward and creating new tabs.
- chx 4y ago
  I never stopped using them. I never could stop using them, it feels so clumsy to work a PC without gestures. I am currently using StrokesPlus.net for this purpose, I am sure there are others.
  - 6510 4y ago
    Long ago MyIE2 had the most sophisticated mouse gestures. For example: One could select some text, drag it and it would search. (I had search configured to open non advertisement results in background tabs) If the text contained any links it in stead opened each of them in tabs to the right. So you selected the entire menu of the blog and tossed it to the right. There were gestures to move to the tab on the left or right but also to close the current tab AND move to the left or right. This was important to dig though an enormous pile of preloaded tabs you still had to look at. Things went so fast I got tired after surfing for a few hours.
    - chx 4y ago
      When the spying allegations surfaced I kinda lost interest in maxthon, how is it these days?
      - 6510 4y ago
        Maxthon was not that good, I lost interest in it. Lets have a look... https://forum.maxthon.com https://forum.maxthon.com Well, it seems quite hilarious. It supports chrome add-ons [sic] and.. > ...Create and manage blockchain identities and assets. > ...access blockchain content... > ...Encapsulate the blockchain technology ... enabling developers to build powerful Apps. The 2020 forum posts describes mx6 as: > The main browser features of mx6 will be developed based on a deeply customized chromium code base and existing mx5 codebase. All bitcoin related features will be developed by Maxthon team. Mx6 also has an open API to enable other developers to integrate their code.
- skoskie 4y ago
  Vivaldi offers that feature.
kitd 4y ago
Chrome got fat Vivaldi works quite well as a thinner Chrome alternative IMO.
- go2europa 4y ago
  do you have any recommended extensions for auto-hibernating tabs? or how do you approach having many tabs? having no built-in way to do it is unfortunate but I'm really liking the other tab features
- geogra4 4y ago
  Big Vivaldi fan here.
- wyclif 4y ago
  Or you can just use Brave if you're still OK with a Chromium-based browser but are concerned about privacy.
johnsea 4y ago
I never switched to Chrome, always used Firefox. But it increasingly got more config-involving to make FF do what I wanted and maybe I overdid some settings/plugins and websites started to show incorrectly. Also the imho (much) too high salary for the CEO annoyed me (Mozilla is supposed to be "Internet for people, not profit"). Tried Brave and it was a nice experience after some initial cost to e.g. disable crypto. Some weeks ago I uninstalled FF on all my computers...
- monetus 4y ago
  It is kind of a conundrum. The Mozilla situation seems clearly to be self serving and crippling the potential of the browser. The CEO's pay exemplary of that - and similar situations are there with brave. The founder was forced out of Mozilla for a reason, but setting that aside, the liberty they took with collecting crypto for businesses while those businesses were unaware put me off of them in a profound way. The niche the browser itself fills is obviously good but the methods seem... off, not malicious intent, just questionable. Changing the ad economy isn't bad for example, a great driving motivation.
- divs1210 4y ago
  Same! I switched from FF to Brave a few months back, and I'm liking it a lot. I miss a few features, but nothing major.
  - retrocryptid 4y ago
    I used to work with Brendan and despite being trans felt he sorta got the shaft from Mozilla. I know everyone was upset with him, but for a year and a half I worked with him and he was never anything but cordial to me... an out trans queer person. So when he launched Brave I wanted to give it the benefit if the doubt. But the early messaging about what conditions ads are replaced was hamfisted and I stopped using it relatively quickly. That being said... all the browsers (FF, Brave, Chrome, Safari, etc.) embody the agenda of their respective organizations. The question you may want to ask is "what organization has the most motivation to address issues I care about most?" This is why I use Lynx.
spurgu 4y ago
I'd switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if I could somehow focus the URL bar with Cmd+D instead of Cmd+L (years of muscle memory with Alt+D on Linux previously). Other browsers have a menu entry for this (File -> Open Location... in Chrome) so keyboard shortcuts can be switched in the Keyboard settings but Firefox doesn't have this. :| I've tried various methods without success. If anyone had a working solution I'd be very grateful.
- siegecraft 4y ago
  You can do this with karabiner-elements (https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/) by remapping cmd-l to cmd-d. I believe you can even add a condition to make the mapping only active in firefox, but I haven't tested that. Here is a rule that does it (only for left command, but that's probably sufficient): https://genesy.github.io/karabiner-complex-rules-generator/#eyJ0aXRsZSI6ImNtZC1kIHRvIGNtZC1sIiwicnVsZXMiOlt7ImRlc2NyaXB0aW9uIjoiIiwibWFuaXB1bGF0b3JzIjpbeyJ0eXBlIjoiYmFzaWMiLCJmcm9tIjp7Im1vZGlmaWVycyI6eyJtYW5kYXRvcnkiOlsibGVmdF9ndWkiXX0sImtleV9jb2RlIjoiZCJ9LCJ0byI6W3sicmVwZWF0Ijp0cnVlLCJtb2RpZmllcnMiOlsibGVmdF9ndWkiXX1dfV19XX0= https://genesy.github.io/karabiner-complex-rules-generator/#...
- bl4ckcontact 4y ago
  If I recall, F6 should get what you’re after.
  - spurgu 4y ago
    As I said I want it specifically to be Cmd+D (instead of the default Cmd+L).
    - atwood22 4y ago
      It would be pretty trivial to write an extension that does that.
      - dan-robertson 4y ago
        I don't think Firefox extensions can do this sort of thing.
avereveard 4y ago
Same path, the late xulrunner runtime was squeaking around all corners and chrome came out at Firefox weakest moment, it spread trough my friends circles like wildlife. I went back to Firefox just because of Chrome api change against adblockers, and found it very usable and mature, but it's a tougher sell to my friends as the difference unnoticeable

by Jenk 4y ago

pmoleri 4y ago

Around 2012 my 6GB Ram laptop was struggling with Chrome, I switched to FF and got much better experience there. Then with FF Quantum release I adopted it definitely.

tppiotrowski 4y ago

The right click mouse gestures of Opera were great for quickly navigating back/forward and creating new tabs.

chx 4y ago
I never stopped using them. I never could stop using them, it feels so clumsy to work a PC without gestures. I am currently using StrokesPlus.net for this purpose, I am sure there are others.
- 6510 4y ago
  Long ago MyIE2 had the most sophisticated mouse gestures. For example: One could select some text, drag it and it would search. (I had search configured to open non advertisement results in background tabs) If the text contained any links it in stead opened each of them in tabs to the right. So you selected the entire menu of the blog and tossed it to the right. There were gestures to move to the tab on the left or right but also to close the current tab AND move to the left or right. This was important to dig though an enormous pile of preloaded tabs you still had to look at. Things went so fast I got tired after surfing for a few hours.
  - chx 4y ago
    When the spying allegations surfaced I kinda lost interest in maxthon, how is it these days?
    - 6510 4y ago
      Maxthon was not that good, I lost interest in it. Lets have a look... https://forum.maxthon.com https://forum.maxthon.com Well, it seems quite hilarious. It supports chrome add-ons [sic] and.. > ...Create and manage blockchain identities and assets. > ...access blockchain content... > ...Encapsulate the blockchain technology ... enabling developers to build powerful Apps. The 2020 forum posts describes mx6 as: > The main browser features of mx6 will be developed based on a deeply customized chromium code base and existing mx5 codebase. All bitcoin related features will be developed by Maxthon team. Mx6 also has an open API to enable other developers to integrate their code.
skoskie 4y ago
Vivaldi offers that feature.

kitd 4y ago

Chrome got fat Vivaldi works quite well as a thinner Chrome alternative IMO.

go2europa 4y ago
do you have any recommended extensions for auto-hibernating tabs? or how do you approach having many tabs? having no built-in way to do it is unfortunate but I'm really liking the other tab features
geogra4 4y ago
Big Vivaldi fan here.
wyclif 4y ago
Or you can just use Brave if you're still OK with a Chromium-based browser but are concerned about privacy.

johnsea 4y ago

I never switched to Chrome, always used Firefox. But it increasingly got more config-involving to make FF do what I wanted and maybe I overdid some settings/plugins and websites started to show incorrectly. Also the imho (much) too high salary for the CEO annoyed me (Mozilla is supposed to be "Internet for people, not profit"). Tried Brave and it was a nice experience after some initial cost to e.g. disable crypto. Some weeks ago I uninstalled FF on all my computers...

monetus 4y ago
It is kind of a conundrum. The Mozilla situation seems clearly to be self serving and crippling the potential of the browser. The CEO's pay exemplary of that - and similar situations are there with brave. The founder was forced out of Mozilla for a reason, but setting that aside, the liberty they took with collecting crypto for businesses while those businesses were unaware put me off of them in a profound way. The niche the browser itself fills is obviously good but the methods seem... off, not malicious intent, just questionable. Changing the ad economy isn't bad for example, a great driving motivation.
divs1210 4y ago
Same! I switched from FF to Brave a few months back, and I'm liking it a lot. I miss a few features, but nothing major.
- retrocryptid 4y ago
  I used to work with Brendan and despite being trans felt he sorta got the shaft from Mozilla. I know everyone was upset with him, but for a year and a half I worked with him and he was never anything but cordial to me... an out trans queer person. So when he launched Brave I wanted to give it the benefit if the doubt. But the early messaging about what conditions ads are replaced was hamfisted and I stopped using it relatively quickly. That being said... all the browsers (FF, Brave, Chrome, Safari, etc.) embody the agenda of their respective organizations. The question you may want to ask is "what organization has the most motivation to address issues I care about most?" This is why I use Lynx.

spurgu 4y ago

I'd switch to Firefox in a heartbeat if I could somehow focus the URL bar with Cmd+D instead of Cmd+L (years of muscle memory with Alt+D on Linux previously). Other browsers have a menu entry for this (File -> Open Location... in Chrome) so keyboard shortcuts can be switched in the Keyboard settings but Firefox doesn't have this. :| I've tried various methods without success. If anyone had a working solution I'd be very grateful.

siegecraft 4y ago
You can do this with karabiner-elements (https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/) by remapping cmd-l to cmd-d. I believe you can even add a condition to make the mapping only active in firefox, but I haven't tested that. Here is a rule that does it (only for left command, but that's probably sufficient): https://genesy.github.io/karabiner-complex-rules-generator/#eyJ0aXRsZSI6ImNtZC1kIHRvIGNtZC1sIiwicnVsZXMiOlt7ImRlc2NyaXB0aW9uIjoiIiwibWFuaXB1bGF0b3JzIjpbeyJ0eXBlIjoiYmFzaWMiLCJmcm9tIjp7Im1vZGlmaWVycyI6eyJtYW5kYXRvcnkiOlsibGVmdF9ndWkiXX0sImtleV9jb2RlIjoiZCJ9LCJ0byI6W3sicmVwZWF0Ijp0cnVlLCJtb2RpZmllcnMiOlsibGVmdF9ndWkiXX1dfV19XX0= https://genesy.github.io/karabiner-complex-rules-generator/#...
bl4ckcontact 4y ago
If I recall, F6 should get what you’re after.
- spurgu 4y ago
  As I said I want it specifically to be Cmd+D (instead of the default Cmd+L).
  - atwood22 4y ago
    It would be pretty trivial to write an extension that does that.
    - dan-robertson 4y ago
      I don't think Firefox extensions can do this sort of thing.

avereveard 4y ago

Same path, the late xulrunner runtime was squeaking around all corners and chrome came out at Firefox weakest moment, it spread trough my friends circles like wildlife. I went back to Firefox just because of Chrome api change against adblockers, and found it very usable and mature, but it's a tougher sell to my friends as the difference unnoticeable