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Well in the defense of everyone that hated it: the show was unequivocally awful in every way imaginable. The writing was bad. The acting was bad. The casting wa

by crsv 4y ago

Well in the defense of everyone that hated it: the show was unequivocally awful in every way imaginable. The writing was bad. The acting was bad. The casting was bad. The costuming was bad. If they would have done a shot for shot, line for line live action remake, it would have done well, but the hubris of the people producing it would never let that happened.

imbnwa 4y ago
Even more wild is that the live action episodes get less done in one hour each than the source material gets done in 24 minutes.
- CSSer 4y ago
  I read it as an intense over-correction. One of the few valid criticisms (not to gush, but I’m a fan to be sure) of the original is that Vicious is a thinly written villain. They tried to fix this but failed. Also, CB is closer to a noir than an action/drama. This was overlooked repeatedly throughout the season. I’d send whoever worked on that show back to school before tasking them with adapting anything else.
  - imbnwa 4y ago
    > One of the few valid criticisms (not to gush, but I’m a fan to be sure) of the original is that Vicious is a thinly written villain. This I don't agree with, not that Vicious is or isn't thinly written, but that it is valuable or an improvement that he is "fleshed out". Spike's narrative in the source is built on his memories and recollection of people, not who they are. The lack of dimensionality has a purpose. Jet has a similar issue and both of them are forced to confront the gap between their recollection of people and what those people actually thought/felt, and that's big because both of them have staked major parts of their personhood on the ghost of their nostalgia and self-centered sense of tragedy. Finding out the world is other people doing other things was the point and you can't recover the impact by removing the entire mystery. As I said elsewhere, Bebop is more related to 70s New Hollywood than the American adaptation is, Coppola's The Conversation has a similar bent where someone is haunted by their past but misinterprets the present and future on behalf of their own guilt only to discover reality had nothing to do with a POV that was always their own misperception. If you actually followed all the side characters around the movie would be pointless.

by crsv 4y ago

imbnwa 4y ago

Even more wild is that the live action episodes get less done in one hour each than the source material gets done in 24 minutes.

CSSer 4y ago
I read it as an intense over-correction. One of the few valid criticisms (not to gush, but I’m a fan to be sure) of the original is that Vicious is a thinly written villain. They tried to fix this but failed. Also, CB is closer to a noir than an action/drama. This was overlooked repeatedly throughout the season. I’d send whoever worked on that show back to school before tasking them with adapting anything else.
- imbnwa 4y ago
  > One of the few valid criticisms (not to gush, but I’m a fan to be sure) of the original is that Vicious is a thinly written villain. This I don't agree with, not that Vicious is or isn't thinly written, but that it is valuable or an improvement that he is "fleshed out". Spike's narrative in the source is built on his memories and recollection of people, not who they are. The lack of dimensionality has a purpose. Jet has a similar issue and both of them are forced to confront the gap between their recollection of people and what those people actually thought/felt, and that's big because both of them have staked major parts of their personhood on the ghost of their nostalgia and self-centered sense of tragedy. Finding out the world is other people doing other things was the point and you can't recover the impact by removing the entire mystery. As I said elsewhere, Bebop is more related to 70s New Hollywood than the American adaptation is, Coppola's The Conversation has a similar bent where someone is haunted by their past but misinterprets the present and future on behalf of their own guilt only to discover reality had nothing to do with a POV that was always their own misperception. If you actually followed all the side characters around the movie would be pointless.