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And the statistics on that are? Also if it's the police doing it, you're not allowed to defend yourself even if they don't announce/identify themselves.

thaumasiotes 4y ago
> Also if it's the police doing it, you're not allowed to defend yourself even if they don't announce/identify themselves. You are allowed, it's just that they are allowed to kill you if you do.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > You are allowed, it's just that they are allowed to kill you if you do. To be fair, in practice, they are allowed to kill you if you don't, too, they are just more likely to avail themselves of being allowed to if you defend yourself.
  - jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
    I like how you all are talking about this, when the number of people killed by police each year is in the hundreds, while the number of people who are assaulted every year by random strangers is in the hundreds of thousands.
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      I find the concept of being killed by someone who was allowed to do that more offensive than the concept of being killed, much less assaulted, by someone who wasn't. Neither is a realistic threat. On the other hand, we can easily change what's allowed.
      - jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
        >neither is a realistic threat tell that to the 450,000 women raped every year?
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      Not sure why you are comparing police killings to non-police assaults, except to make sure that the comparison is as irrelevant as possible.
      - jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
        Solely because the data you are suggesting (very wrongly) doesn't exist. Anyway, the point is you are way more likely to be a victim of rape/burglary in your own home than you are to be killed by police anywhere, for any reason. The previous poster was making it seem like dealing with this edge case is very important, meanwhile is happens somewhere around 1k-10k times less frequently than the situation I presented.
        thaumasiotes 4y ago
        You're also more likely to be a victim of rape in your own home than you are to be injured by a table saw. Should table saws include any safety mechanisms?
jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
>also if it's the police "and the statistics on that are"? Well, in that scenario I'll be doing the same thing and I will have to let my lawyer and public opinion get me out of jail Now, for the question you've asked me: there are 2.5 million burglaries/home invasions in the USA per year. 25% of these occur when someone is at home. Quite interestingly, there are 450,000 rapes per year in the USA as well, which lines up quite scarily with the above number. If someone is in my home, I'm not going to rely on my kung fu to save my family, who are depending on me for their protection.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

> Also if it's the police doing it, you're not allowed to defend yourself even if they don't announce/identify themselves. You are allowed, it's just that they are allowed to kill you if you do.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> You are allowed, it's just that they are allowed to kill you if you do. To be fair, in practice, they are allowed to kill you if you don't, too, they are just more likely to avail themselves of being allowed to if you defend yourself.
- jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
  I like how you all are talking about this, when the number of people killed by police each year is in the hundreds, while the number of people who are assaulted every year by random strangers is in the hundreds of thousands.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    I find the concept of being killed by someone who was allowed to do that more offensive than the concept of being killed, much less assaulted, by someone who wasn't. Neither is a realistic threat. On the other hand, we can easily change what's allowed.
    - jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
      >neither is a realistic threat tell that to the 450,000 women raped every year?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Not sure why you are comparing police killings to non-police assaults, except to make sure that the comparison is as irrelevant as possible.
    - jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago
      Solely because the data you are suggesting (very wrongly) doesn't exist. Anyway, the point is you are way more likely to be a victim of rape/burglary in your own home than you are to be killed by police anywhere, for any reason. The previous poster was making it seem like dealing with this edge case is very important, meanwhile is happens somewhere around 1k-10k times less frequently than the situation I presented.
      - thaumasiotes 4y ago
        You're also more likely to be a victim of rape in your own home than you are to be injured by a table saw. Should table saws include any safety mechanisms?

jsiaajdsdaa 4y ago

>also if it's the police "and the statistics on that are"? Well, in that scenario I'll be doing the same thing and I will have to let my lawyer and public opinion get me out of jail Now, for the question you've asked me: there are 2.5 million burglaries/home invasions in the USA per year. 25% of these occur when someone is at home. Quite interestingly, there are 450,000 rapes per year in the USA as well, which lines up quite scarily with the above number. If someone is in my home, I'm not going to rely on my kung fu to save my family, who are depending on me for their protection.