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> I have this preconceived notion that I don't want to violate my children's privacy. If you have a preconceived notion that frames these questions in terms of
by bjt2n3904 4y ago
> I have this preconceived notion that I don't want to violate my children's privacy.
If you have a preconceived notion that frames these questions in terms of privacy, then you will have a preconceived solution. Why is this discussion being framed in terms of "privacy"?
There is a large and growing advocacy for "children's privacy" that I am quite hostile to. The advocacy largely seems to be focused around allowing children to "experiment" and try things for themselves without feeling pressure from their parents to respond in a particular way, or fear repercussions. The stated goal is to let the child become their own person.
But by and large, these "experiments" are around topics like drugs, sexuality, politics, and religion -- and at increasingly younger and younger ages. All of these are extremely hot button issues, so I'll choose the last to make an example of. I've worked extensively through my church with our youth ministry. How would you feel if I wanted to have a "private" conversation with your grade school child about their sin, and necessity of repentance? If I responded to your objections by framing you as the unreasonable one, and asking why you wanted to invade your child's privacy? They need to become their own person, and be free to make choices for themselves!
You would be right to have a legitimate fear that your child would not be "becoming their own person" (as advertised), but being indoctrinated (or even brainwashed) into a certain way of thinking when their minds are too young to know how to appropriately think about these things independently. As a parent, no one should want to have "private" access to your children -- and even unsupervised access to your children should be completely transparent.
Freedom and privacy are important values to teach your children. But this is the privacy that should be taught: there are certain things that you should not expose to the world, and others have no right to ask of you. But the "privacy" that I see being discussed is an inversion of that. "We want privacy with your children, and you cannot violate that privacy!"
To close with an example of how I'd frame this issue: YouTube/TikTok wants unfettered access to my children, to sit them infront of a non-stop roll of advertisements, content that has been engineered to be addictive, and has the potential to create harmful feedback loops. To supervise, monitor, and restrict the quantity and quality of what my child watches (or even searches for) is not an invasion of my child's "privacy" or "freedom".
- closeparen 4y agoChildren's privacy with respect to freedom to experiment and become their own people would generally mean private interactions with their peers, not corporations or adults.
- bjt2n3904 4y agoI disagree with your assessment of that this is what is generally referred to WRT children's privacy -- but I also disagree that privacy and freedom apply to play dates. My parents largely let me play with whoever I wanted to. But there was at least one occasion I was not allowed to go and play with one family. Though play time was largely unsupervised, there was still no veil of privacy. If my parents asked me what I was doing with a friend and I fabricated a story that wasn't true, or declined to answer, I don't think I would get to hang out with them much longer, and with good reason.
- closeparen 4y agoI can assure you that children from middle school onward absolutely do not give complete and truthful accounts of their interactions with friends. True, this can be a point of family tension! It’s a natural and probably healthy push and pull, children wanting privacy and independence, parents wanting access and control. That’s the process of growing up into your own person. There would be something developmentally wrong with a child who didn’t try & succeed to some extent. And something inhuman about a parent who didn’t resent and resist it. Children get ahead of themselves and parents slow them down. But the kids are supposed to win in the end, ideally before their 18th birthdays. I worry that digital surveillance gives such an asymmetric advantage to parents’ natural helicoptering impulses that future generations never win. Worse, that they realize they are overmatched and give up. What kind of adults will they be, when their agency has been broken on the wheel in this way?