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Just to note that separating medical records from government's prying eyes would also include (lack of) vaccination status and would neuter most 'red flag' laws

Just to note that separating medical records from government's prying eyes would also include (lack of) vaccination status and would neuter most 'red flag' laws that restrict gun access based on mental health.

tristor 4y ago
Sounds like a positive outcome. Vaccination status is something between the patient and the doctor, the police have no need for that information. Red flag laws are both blatantly unconstitutional and have been wildly misused in their short time in existence, the only people I see defending them are mostly those who see it as an inch towards a complete personal gun ownership ban, which is what they really want. Doctor/Patient confidentiality used to be sacrosanct, and it is no longer, and realistically I know many people who refuse help because of this. The Defund the Police folks are right, America needs more social workers, not more police powers.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Red flag laws are both blatantly unconstitutional and have been wildly misused in their short time in existence, the only people I see defending them are mostly those who see it as an inch towards a complete personal gun ownership ban, which is what they really want. The US has a problem with gun violence that puts all other civilized nations to shame, and it is per 100k second in the world when it comes to firearm suicide [1]. The problem is, getting any sort of federal gun control that actually reduces the amount of gun violence passed in Congress is impossible. Even right after yet another completely preventable massacre - firearm death is the most common source of child deaths [2]. So, yes, states need to be able to institute limitations on gun use, and "red flag" laws that use either known records of mental health issues or (domestic) violence citations are a reasonable compromise between privacy and the right of children to go to school without getting shot dead. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death... [2] https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/ https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/
  - tristor 4y ago
    So, to clarify, you are confirming that you are against personal firearms ownership and also support red flag laws as a compromise/inch towards a ban. I don’t understand why you’re replying like we are going to engage in a debate here.
  - PeterStuer 4y ago
    Gun violence in the US is insane, and of course you could not have gun violence without guns. Yet other places, of comparable economic status (Switzerland, Austria,...) also have high gun ownership, without having the insane rate of gun violence. So there must be more to the insanity than just 'guns'.

tristor 4y ago

Sounds like a positive outcome. Vaccination status is something between the patient and the doctor, the police have no need for that information. Red flag laws are both blatantly unconstitutional and have been wildly misused in their short time in existence, the only people I see defending them are mostly those who see it as an inch towards a complete personal gun ownership ban, which is what they really want. Doctor/Patient confidentiality used to be sacrosanct, and it is no longer, and realistically I know many people who refuse help because of this. The Defund the Police folks are right, America needs more social workers, not more police powers.

mschuster91 4y ago
> Red flag laws are both blatantly unconstitutional and have been wildly misused in their short time in existence, the only people I see defending them are mostly those who see it as an inch towards a complete personal gun ownership ban, which is what they really want. The US has a problem with gun violence that puts all other civilized nations to shame, and it is per 100k second in the world when it comes to firearm suicide [1]. The problem is, getting any sort of federal gun control that actually reduces the amount of gun violence passed in Congress is impossible. Even right after yet another completely preventable massacre - firearm death is the most common source of child deaths [2]. So, yes, states need to be able to institute limitations on gun use, and "red flag" laws that use either known records of mental health issues or (domestic) violence citations are a reasonable compromise between privacy and the right of children to go to school without getting shot dead. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death... [2] https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/ https://time.com/6170864/cause-of-death-children-guns/
- tristor 4y ago
  So, to clarify, you are confirming that you are against personal firearms ownership and also support red flag laws as a compromise/inch towards a ban. I don’t understand why you’re replying like we are going to engage in a debate here.
- PeterStuer 4y ago
  Gun violence in the US is insane, and of course you could not have gun violence without guns. Yet other places, of comparable economic status (Switzerland, Austria,...) also have high gun ownership, without having the insane rate of gun violence. So there must be more to the insanity than just 'guns'.