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How about getting rid of these ridiculously long copyright terms so that people can actually reinterpret and remix and reinvent the cultural artifacts of their

by esarbe 4y ago

How about getting rid of these ridiculously long copyright terms so that people can actually reinterpret and remix and reinvent the cultural artifacts of their youth? Isn't it kinda obvious that these copyright terms - tailored to suit corporations almost exclusively - are like a straitjacket in terms of creativity? All human cultural work always built up on what came before. We are - as the saying goes - standing on the shoulders of giants. But since about one generations, the giants have started to refuse to let go and don't let us climb on top anymore. So, yeah. When you prevent the old giants from dying and stop their corpses from becoming fertilizer for new ideas and approaches, that's just what you get; a stale 'creative' industry, ever regurgitating the same ideas without real innovation and experimentation.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
I agree with you on copyrights in general, but I'm not sure that's the issue here. 1. Movies and their sequels/prequels: If anything, copyright should make it easier to make NEW stuff. But while there's lots of interesting movies being made (check Youtube and tiktok and vimeo etc, and even the mainstream streaming services which have tremendous long tail of weird content!), as far as cinemas specifically go - that's less and less where we watch our video entertainment, attention span is lower and lower, and people are choosing safe choices with their limited money and time, so cinema-oriented companies are making tremendously expensive visually impressive safe content. I can watch experimental interesting stuff at home. I go to cinema at cinema prices for a safe movie that has astonishing special effects that I cannot feasibly watch at home. It's an outdated medium, but that doesn't mean art itself is dead - it just moved to new forms. 2. Music may well be a discoverability problem. There's a RIDICULOUS amount of new stuff being made. Experimental and traditional, interesting and boring, in all shapes and formats and kinds. Go to reddit and see the amount of cool stuff people make at home. But it's also positively overwhelming... whereas I know I like Sultans of Swing and will always like Sultans of Swing :). And we have to consider who is the paying audience and how they pay - is the cool stuff teenagers and youngsters watch and listen to captured through traditional channels? Cool new stuff has always been shared and bootlegged. So I think cool innovative art is being made all the time, more than ever in fact; but not necessarily much or all of it is being consumed and importantly tracked at mainstream level. And that may be OK and normal. The article is looking at outdated art format/consumption, and noting that they are showing outdated content. It may be more tautologically true than an enlightening/warning sign.
- newsclues 4y ago
  Music discovery is my number 1 problem with finding new music because computers made the barrier to entry so low there is now a lot of recorded crap. Lots of the discovery algorithms seem to be paywalled, which I don’t want to do, I want to find good music for free and CHOOSE to support artists.
  - kevinmchugh 4y ago
    If music discovery is your number 1 music problem, why won't you pay for it?
    - netr0ute 4y ago
      How does software discovery seem to always be free, but music gets special treatment?
      - newsclues 4y ago
        I have the same issue finding new good video games to play. Software discovery isn’t easy either. I kind of miss Yahoo categories and lists.
      - NikolaNovak 4y ago
        I don't think it is. Or at least not effectively. When I need a utility or have a requirement, I struggle mightily to find reliable software I can trust to fulfill that purpose. A lot of signals that would've worked 10 years ago don't anymore. Paying for software, which would be my preference, in no way guarantees that it will fit purpose, won't install Malware, Won't abuse my trust or won't be handicapped in some way. Search will lead me to slightly scammy software, and so increasingly will SEO-ed paid reviews on websites and even forums. I live the trustless Web and I hate it :-D So for me at least, easy seamless software discovery is completely lacking. Now, this is HN. I am sure there are number of people who will enjoy spending many hours Nd days on reddit and github sifting through opinions and source code, trying many things and then tweaking them until they get what they need. I used to be one. But that's not easy software discovery, that's hard physical labour for 99.99% of populace, including today myself :-> Whereas frankly, Spotify does ok job in building a radio station from a song or playlist. Unsolved problem is still finding a song that's alike to this song in some specific way that makes sense to me... But I expect that to be unsolved in my lifetime.
InCityDreams 4y ago
Look up Rick Beato + spotify* on youtube. People are making crappy music. You can't really blame copyright for lack of talent, marketing, and lack of taste.

by esarbe 4y ago

NikolaNovak 4y ago

I agree with you on copyrights in general, but I'm not sure that's the issue here. 1. Movies and their sequels/prequels: If anything, copyright should make it easier to make NEW stuff. But while there's lots of interesting movies being made (check Youtube and tiktok and vimeo etc, and even the mainstream streaming services which have tremendous long tail of weird content!), as far as cinemas specifically go - that's less and less where we watch our video entertainment, attention span is lower and lower, and people are choosing safe choices with their limited money and time, so cinema-oriented companies are making tremendously expensive visually impressive safe content. I can watch experimental interesting stuff at home. I go to cinema at cinema prices for a safe movie that has astonishing special effects that I cannot feasibly watch at home. It's an outdated medium, but that doesn't mean art itself is dead - it just moved to new forms. 2. Music may well be a discoverability problem. There's a RIDICULOUS amount of new stuff being made. Experimental and traditional, interesting and boring, in all shapes and formats and kinds. Go to reddit and see the amount of cool stuff people make at home. But it's also positively overwhelming... whereas I know I like Sultans of Swing and will always like Sultans of Swing :). And we have to consider who is the paying audience and how they pay - is the cool stuff teenagers and youngsters watch and listen to captured through traditional channels? Cool new stuff has always been shared and bootlegged. So I think cool innovative art is being made all the time, more than ever in fact; but not necessarily much or all of it is being consumed and importantly tracked at mainstream level. And that may be OK and normal. The article is looking at outdated art format/consumption, and noting that they are showing outdated content. It may be more tautologically true than an enlightening/warning sign.

newsclues 4y ago
Music discovery is my number 1 problem with finding new music because computers made the barrier to entry so low there is now a lot of recorded crap. Lots of the discovery algorithms seem to be paywalled, which I don’t want to do, I want to find good music for free and CHOOSE to support artists.
- kevinmchugh 4y ago
  If music discovery is your number 1 music problem, why won't you pay for it?
  - netr0ute 4y ago
    How does software discovery seem to always be free, but music gets special treatment?
    - newsclues 4y ago
      I have the same issue finding new good video games to play. Software discovery isn’t easy either. I kind of miss Yahoo categories and lists.
    - NikolaNovak 4y ago
      I don't think it is. Or at least not effectively. When I need a utility or have a requirement, I struggle mightily to find reliable software I can trust to fulfill that purpose. A lot of signals that would've worked 10 years ago don't anymore. Paying for software, which would be my preference, in no way guarantees that it will fit purpose, won't install Malware, Won't abuse my trust or won't be handicapped in some way. Search will lead me to slightly scammy software, and so increasingly will SEO-ed paid reviews on websites and even forums. I live the trustless Web and I hate it :-D So for me at least, easy seamless software discovery is completely lacking. Now, this is HN. I am sure there are number of people who will enjoy spending many hours Nd days on reddit and github sifting through opinions and source code, trying many things and then tweaking them until they get what they need. I used to be one. But that's not easy software discovery, that's hard physical labour for 99.99% of populace, including today myself :-> Whereas frankly, Spotify does ok job in building a radio station from a song or playlist. Unsolved problem is still finding a song that's alike to this song in some specific way that makes sense to me... But I expect that to be unsolved in my lifetime.

InCityDreams 4y ago

Look up Rick Beato + spotify* on youtube. People are making crappy music. You can't really blame copyright for lack of talent, marketing, and lack of taste.