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I mean, if you’re at your own home, and your guns have suppressors on them… it’s fine.

mwint 4y ago
Nope, they’re an NFA item. Highly regulated, you can get men in suits at your door for the offense of buying several oil filters at once.
- egberts1 4y ago
  Not finding any regulation on the misuse of oil filters … yet.
  - mwint 4y ago
    They make pretty decent silencers when affixed to the muzzle of a gun, and suddenly become an NFA item. I know a guy with a diesel repair shop who bought a “suspicious” number of filters off Amazon at once. A couple suits showed up at his door asking about them. We totally live in a surveillance state, and Amazon feeds your purchase history into it.
    - belter 4y ago
      41 months in prison for your oil filter... "Maryland Man Arrested for Fuel Filter Silencer" https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-filter-silencer/ https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-fi...
      - alfon 4y ago
        Seems it wasn’t just “possession of an oil filter silencer”: > Candelario sold and manufactured AR-15 style assault rifles in Maryland without a license. The ATF caught Candelario by using an anonymous man to purchase the firearms in a gas station parking lot. This agent purchased six rifles, as well as two fuel filter silencers.
  - captainredbeard 4y ago
    It is issued in the form of enforcement action by the ATF. The recent SC ruling on regulatory agencies may change this some.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    the "fuel filter" thing with the right other stuff is constructive possession even if u dont build it.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    Constructive intent is what the ATF claims (and wins in court).
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    According the the NFA, anything you use as a suppressor, is a suppressor. Be it an empty bottle, an oil filter, or a potato (yes, really).
    - egberts1 4y ago
      if even a pillow; asking for a friend.
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  Yes, but there's nothing wrong with using an NFA item for reasonable self defense.
  - mwint 4y ago
    Has this been tested with silencers specifically? Seems like it’s nasty both directions; if you usually run a silencer on your home defense gun, they’d get you for that. If you don’t, and you take the time to put one on, it undermines your self defense claim.
oneplane 4y ago
Guns at any home don't really have an absolute level of fineness I'd say; it also depends on where the home is, who is in the home, if the person possessing the guns is reasonable and trained etc. If your home is a small apartment in a building with small apartments all around you with walls that are essentially a thin sheet of cardboard, and the gun owner hears voices that aren't really there, is it still fine? (and suppressors don't even factor in at this point since they are essentially just hearing protection) I don't think there is a universally applicable rule where it is fine or not-fine. Factors like the individual(s) involved, the location and even social climate make such a big impact when it comes to weapons. Probably also why there is a blanket ban on suppressors, not because it was actually based on the use with common sense.
- captainredbeard 4y ago
  Suppressors are regulated heavily under the NFA. You have to receive explicit permission from the Feds for each one. The US, like it or not, has specific carve out allowances for firearm ownership by the mass civilian population. You may not find it reasonable.
  - oneplane 4y ago
    It doesn't have anything to do with liking things. Blanket rules that apply to incompatible scenarios are just dumb, and not reasonable in any form. The endless 'defence' for bad rules makes no sense either, it's okay to say "it isn't perfect and when we find a better way we might adopt it". Rules are just constructs that can be changed.
    - jonhohle 4y ago
      Tyrannical states tend to remove weapons and armor from the population early in their campaign. Some countries realized this in their founding and made sure that would be rather difficult to enforce.
      - oneplane 4y ago

Nope, they’re an NFA item. Highly regulated, you can get men in suits at your door for the offense of buying several oil filters at once.

egberts1 4y ago
Not finding any regulation on the misuse of oil filters … yet.
- mwint 4y ago
  They make pretty decent silencers when affixed to the muzzle of a gun, and suddenly become an NFA item. I know a guy with a diesel repair shop who bought a “suspicious” number of filters off Amazon at once. A couple suits showed up at his door asking about them. We totally live in a surveillance state, and Amazon feeds your purchase history into it.
  - belter 4y ago
    41 months in prison for your oil filter... "Maryland Man Arrested for Fuel Filter Silencer" https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-filter-silencer/ https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/maryland-man-arrested-fuel-fi...
    - alfon 4y ago
      Seems it wasn’t just “possession of an oil filter silencer”: > Candelario sold and manufactured AR-15 style assault rifles in Maryland without a license. The ATF caught Candelario by using an anonymous man to purchase the firearms in a gas station parking lot. This agent purchased six rifles, as well as two fuel filter silencers.
- captainredbeard 4y ago
  It is issued in the form of enforcement action by the ATF. The recent SC ruling on regulatory agencies may change this some.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  the "fuel filter" thing with the right other stuff is constructive possession even if u dont build it.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  Constructive intent is what the ATF claims (and wins in court).
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  According the the NFA, anything you use as a suppressor, is a suppressor. Be it an empty bottle, an oil filter, or a potato (yes, really).
  - egberts1 4y ago
    if even a pillow; asking for a friend.
sgjohnson 4y ago
Yes, but there's nothing wrong with using an NFA item for reasonable self defense.
- mwint 4y ago
  Has this been tested with silencers specifically? Seems like it’s nasty both directions; if you usually run a silencer on your home defense gun, they’d get you for that. If you don’t, and you take the time to put one on, it undermines your self defense claim.

oneplane 4y ago

Guns at any home don't really have an absolute level of fineness I'd say; it also depends on where the home is, who is in the home, if the person possessing the guns is reasonable and trained etc. If your home is a small apartment in a building with small apartments all around you with walls that are essentially a thin sheet of cardboard, and the gun owner hears voices that aren't really there, is it still fine? (and suppressors don't even factor in at this point since they are essentially just hearing protection) I don't think there is a universally applicable rule where it is fine or not-fine. Factors like the individual(s) involved, the location and even social climate make such a big impact when it comes to weapons. Probably also why there is a blanket ban on suppressors, not because it was actually based on the use with common sense.

captainredbeard 4y ago
Suppressors are regulated heavily under the NFA. You have to receive explicit permission from the Feds for each one. The US, like it or not, has specific carve out allowances for firearm ownership by the mass civilian population. You may not find it reasonable.
- oneplane 4y ago
  It doesn't have anything to do with liking things. Blanket rules that apply to incompatible scenarios are just dumb, and not reasonable in any form. The endless 'defence' for bad rules makes no sense either, it's okay to say "it isn't perfect and when we find a better way we might adopt it". Rules are just constructs that can be changed.
  - jonhohle 4y ago
    Tyrannical states tend to remove weapons and armor from the population early in their campaign. Some countries realized this in their founding and made sure that would be rather difficult to enforce.
    - oneplane 4y ago