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Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" ha

Boosters have been available for nearly a year; vaccines for 5-11's for ~6 months. I think the booster rate is a reasonable sign that trust in "the science" has been lost - why do you think such a large % of people who initially "followed the science" (and got 2 doses) chose not to "follow the science" and get a booster? (Again, keeping in mind boosters have been widely available since late 2021)

metadat 4y ago
- robhunter 4y ago
  What would you consider to be "taking an insane risk WRT Covid" ?
  - metadat 4y ago
    The majority of prevailing attitudes and behaviors in Utah and Texas are good examples of what I consider to be a total disregard for public health. Again, this is just me, some individual on HN who doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.
    - robhunter 4y ago
      What are those attitudes and behaviors, exactly?
      - metadat 4y ago
        Refusing to wear a mask indoors, attending large social gatherings sans mask, not getting vaccinated, and so on. It boils down to breathing into other people's faces a lot, which is what I call "exposure".
        Auracle 4y ago
        How long should be wear masks indoors and refuse to attend large indoor social gatherings? The rest of our lives?
        metadat 4y ago
        For me, success looks like not getting long covid. It's russian roulette right now, and if you lose it can impact you for the remainder of your life. I'll take a few years of not attending large indoor social functions over risking my long-term health. This won't be forever, humans are an ingenious bunch.
    - t-3 4y ago
      As an unvaccinated suburbanite, my experience has been different. While I stayed home, my very progressive and multiply-vaxxed sister was traveling, visiting our parents during lockdown, going out to restaurants and sporting events. Who exactly was an irresponsible danger to the public health here?
- thrown_22 4y ago
  The funny thing is that because you didn't say which 50% 100% of people will nod along and think the other side is evil.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > FWIW I got the third booster, because I didn't want to risk unnecessarily transmitting a disease to my family last Thanksgiving. The booster does not prevent transmissions. You have been lied to.
  - metadat 4y ago
    It reduced the odds, which was good enough.
    - sobriquet9 4y ago
      I don't think any vaccine study had odds of transmission as one of the end points. How do you even design such a study?
      - metadat 4y ago
        It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced.
        sobriquet9 4y ago
        Vaccine efficacy is measured against symptomatic COVID‑19. It's quite possible that asymptomatic carriers transmit more (e.g., because they do not self isolate, or because they shed the virus for a longer period of time). You may be right, I'm just saying that it does not follow from the results of vaccine clinical trials.
        t-3 4y ago
        Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that covid spreads predominantly from the nasal cavity, where vaccines would have little effect.
        ekianjo 4y ago
        > It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced. Looks like you never heard of asymptomatic carriers.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > What I think doesn't matter. From my perspective, about 50% of the United States is on a totally different wavelength, they seem to casually take insane risks WRT covid, and inexplicably focus on hating minorities (which I just don't get, why hate people who haven't done anything to you, when you could just ignore them instead?). Do you really believe that’s what drives people? You don’t think maybe it’s that these folks have interests that are in conflict with those of these minorities? Or they oppose cultural or political changes that come immigration of different groups with a different culture? Or they worry about what folks coming from troubled parts of the world are bringing with them? Or maybe it has little to do with minorities themselves, but is downstream of their political opposition to a party that wants to discriminate in provision of government services based on skin color? https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2021/06/12/yet-another-federal-court-tells-biden-that-he-cant-exclude-whites-from-his-relief-programs https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2021/06/12/yet-an....
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    > Do you really believe that’s what drives people? I've seen plenty examples of entrenched prejudice in people against others that can't possibly have any negative effect on their own existence. And in many cases it's very hard not to see it as irrational "hatred" where, as per GP's point, even just pretending the objects of their hatred simply don't exist would surely be a better response. Presumably hatred for entire classes of people had some evolutionary advantage in the past (perhaps it helped with tribal unity/identification, or conferred success in waging war against other groups who were competing for the same resources) but it's pretty obviously now a dangerous maladaption in the modern highly populated/connected world. BTW, I'm pretty sure most people (on HN at least) can distinguish between those that object to immigration on racist grounds vs those who have genuine concerns about how to integrate others from different cultures or with difficult backgrounds. For a start even just a single such immigrant is usually one too many for the first group. And the latter spend their time researching/implementing solutions, or personally doing what they can to help newcomers settle in while trying to remain realistic about the rate that can be successfully sustained.
    - 4y ago
- Ekaros 4y ago
  I find it insane that people aren't promoting mandatory testing for all large events. The vaccines are proven not to be effective in stopping the spreading. So testing should be the obvious alternative. But it is never demanded or enacted. Just imagine how much safer it would be if failing to show negative test result from past 24h when entering an event would result in armed gas-masked guard escorting the spreader to safe distance.

metadat 4y ago

robhunter 4y ago
What would you consider to be "taking an insane risk WRT Covid" ?
- metadat 4y ago
  The majority of prevailing attitudes and behaviors in Utah and Texas are good examples of what I consider to be a total disregard for public health. Again, this is just me, some individual on HN who doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.
  - robhunter 4y ago
    What are those attitudes and behaviors, exactly?
    - metadat 4y ago
      Refusing to wear a mask indoors, attending large social gatherings sans mask, not getting vaccinated, and so on. It boils down to breathing into other people's faces a lot, which is what I call "exposure".
      - Auracle 4y ago
        How long should be wear masks indoors and refuse to attend large indoor social gatherings? The rest of our lives?
        metadat 4y ago
        For me, success looks like not getting long covid. It's russian roulette right now, and if you lose it can impact you for the remainder of your life. I'll take a few years of not attending large indoor social functions over risking my long-term health. This won't be forever, humans are an ingenious bunch.
  - t-3 4y ago
    As an unvaccinated suburbanite, my experience has been different. While I stayed home, my very progressive and multiply-vaxxed sister was traveling, visiting our parents during lockdown, going out to restaurants and sporting events. Who exactly was an irresponsible danger to the public health here?
thrown_22 4y ago
The funny thing is that because you didn't say which 50% 100% of people will nod along and think the other side is evil.
ekianjo 4y ago
> FWIW I got the third booster, because I didn't want to risk unnecessarily transmitting a disease to my family last Thanksgiving. The booster does not prevent transmissions. You have been lied to.
- metadat 4y ago
  It reduced the odds, which was good enough.
  - sobriquet9 4y ago
    I don't think any vaccine study had odds of transmission as one of the end points. How do you even design such a study?
    - metadat 4y ago
      It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced.
      - sobriquet9 4y ago
        Vaccine efficacy is measured against symptomatic COVID‑19. It's quite possible that asymptomatic carriers transmit more (e.g., because they do not self isolate, or because they shed the virus for a longer period of time). You may be right, I'm just saying that it does not follow from the results of vaccine clinical trials.
      - t-3 4y ago
        Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that covid spreads predominantly from the nasal cavity, where vaccines would have little effect.
      - ekianjo 4y ago
        > It's not complicated- by reducing the odds of contracting covid, the odds of transmission are reduced. Looks like you never heard of asymptomatic carriers.
rayiner 4y ago
> What I think doesn't matter. From my perspective, about 50% of the United States is on a totally different wavelength, they seem to casually take insane risks WRT covid, and inexplicably focus on hating minorities (which I just don't get, why hate people who haven't done anything to you, when you could just ignore them instead?). Do you really believe that’s what drives people? You don’t think maybe it’s that these folks have interests that are in conflict with those of these minorities? Or they oppose cultural or political changes that come immigration of different groups with a different culture? Or they worry about what folks coming from troubled parts of the world are bringing with them? Or maybe it has little to do with minorities themselves, but is downstream of their political opposition to a party that wants to discriminate in provision of government services based on skin color? https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2021/06/12/yet-another-federal-court-tells-biden-that-he-cant-exclude-whites-from-his-relief-programs https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2021/06/12/yet-an....
- wizofaus 4y ago
  > Do you really believe that’s what drives people? I've seen plenty examples of entrenched prejudice in people against others that can't possibly have any negative effect on their own existence. And in many cases it's very hard not to see it as irrational "hatred" where, as per GP's point, even just pretending the objects of their hatred simply don't exist would surely be a better response. Presumably hatred for entire classes of people had some evolutionary advantage in the past (perhaps it helped with tribal unity/identification, or conferred success in waging war against other groups who were competing for the same resources) but it's pretty obviously now a dangerous maladaption in the modern highly populated/connected world. BTW, I'm pretty sure most people (on HN at least) can distinguish between those that object to immigration on racist grounds vs those who have genuine concerns about how to integrate others from different cultures or with difficult backgrounds. For a start even just a single such immigrant is usually one too many for the first group. And the latter spend their time researching/implementing solutions, or personally doing what they can to help newcomers settle in while trying to remain realistic about the rate that can be successfully sustained.
  - 4y ago
Ekaros 4y ago
I find it insane that people aren't promoting mandatory testing for all large events. The vaccines are proven not to be effective in stopping the spreading. So testing should be the obvious alternative. But it is never demanded or enacted. Just imagine how much safer it would be if failing to show negative test result from past 24h when entering an event would result in armed gas-masked guard escorting the spreader to safe distance.